Went to see this last night, not bad, I’m a little surprised it’s a 12A though, I reckon it should be an 18, as it’s not suitable for minors.
oh i dont know most of the miners i have met seem to know about the world and are quite strong minded, unklike morris minors there not so good.
Definitely not suitable for Miners,she finished their industry 
Should have given it an alternative ending in which she’s assassinated by the miners in 1984.Then it really would have needed an 18 cert. 
If I had a pound… 
Dave the Renegade:
Definitely not suitable for Miners,she finished their industry
To be fare she did have some help from Scargill.
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Dave the Renegade:
Definitely not suitable for Miners,she finished their industryTo be fare she did have some help from Scargill.
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Now we’re a net importer of coal and gas costing more than we paid for our own supplies then in real terms.It’s not difficult to realise that the foreign competition were using subsidies and predatory pricing and dumping by selling coal on the markets at less than cost to put the British industry out of the frame and Thatcher was stupid enough to put her own prejudice against British workers above the national interest.
The question is why would she have wanted to help the foreign competition that eventually gained from her actions 
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She got her global free market economy and look where it’s got us. 
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Dave the Renegade:
Definitely not suitable for Miners,she finished their industryTo be fare she did have some help from Scargill.
news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/ne … 925325.stm
And he managed to bring down the Heath government before that, he is still a bloody communist, it wasn’t the government who closed the steelworks, it was the miners who stopped the coke going in.
Wheel Nut:
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Dave the Renegade:
Definitely not suitable for Miners,she finished their industryTo be fare she did have some help from Scargill.
news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/ne … 925325.stm
And he managed to bring down the Heath government before that, he is still a bloody communist, it wasn’t the government who closed the steelworks, it was the miners who stopped the coke going in.
I think there’s been more actual ‘closures’ of steelworks and loss of steel manufacturing jobs since 1984 after the miners lost their attempt to save the British mining industry than there were during or after the 1973 miners strike.
But it’s ironic and blows all the stereotypes apart,concerning everyone in Yorkshire supposedely hating her and everything she stood for,while everyone in the South East supported her,that there’s a someone from Yorkshire on here supporting her and someone from Surrey who isn’t and not forgetting it was the Kent miners who were the last to give up during the 1984 strike.
But I think it’s Thatcher who was more of a Commie than Scargill considering which countries have benefitted most from the effective closure/loss of Britain’s mining industry and the global free market economy.If Scargill is guilty of anything it’s that he was too stupid/naive to be a commie infiltrator and maybe the NUM would have stood more chance if it had been led by someone from the Kent coal fields who might have had the foresight to realise that Heath was a better bet to leave in power than zb Wilson or Callaghan until such time as the Labour Party could have got Peter Shore as leader.Instead of which the rest is history of zb Wilson the zb EEC then zb Callaghan then zb Thatcher and more of the zb EEC and the zb global free market economy.
Chillax man you will need vinnie jones round for staying alive if your not careful.
Carryfast:
Wheel Nut:
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Dave the Renegade:
Definitely not suitable for Miners,she finished their industryTo be fare she did have some help from Scargill.
news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/ne … 925325.stm
And he managed to bring down the Heath government before that, he is still a bloody communist, it wasn’t the government who closed the steelworks, it was the miners who stopped the coke going in.
I think there’s been more actual ‘closures’ of steelworks and loss of steel manufacturing jobs since 1984 after the miners lost their attempt to save the British mining industry than there were during or after the 1973 miners strike.
But it’s ironic and blows all the stereotypes apart,concerning everyone in Yorkshire supposedely hating her and everything she stood for,while everyone in the South East supported her,that there’s a someone from Yorkshire on here supporting her and someone from Surrey who isn’t and not forgetting it was the Kent miners who were the last to give up during the 1984 strike.
But I think it’s Thatcher who was more of a Commie than Scargill considering which countries have benefitted most from the effective closure/loss of Britain’s mining industry and the global free market economy.If Scargill is guilty of anything it’s that he was too stupid/naive to be a commie infiltrator and maybe the NUM would have stood more chance if it had been led by someone from the Kent coal fields who might have had the foresight to realise that Heath was a better bet to leave in power than zb Wilson or Callaghan until such time as the Labour Party could have got Peter Shore as leader.Instead of which the rest is history of zb Wilson the zb EEC then zb Callaghan then zb Thatcher and more of the zb EEC and the zb global free market economy.
Denis Healey should have been the leader of the Labour party instead of Michael Foot.He would have kicked labour into shape and Thatcher out of power.
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
Wheel Nut:
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Dave the Renegade:
Definitely not suitable for Miners,she finished their industryTo be fare she did have some help from Scargill.
news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/ne … 925325.stm
And he managed to bring down the Heath government before that, he is still a bloody communist, it wasn’t the government who closed the steelworks, it was the miners who stopped the coke going in.
I think there’s been more actual ‘closures’ of steelworks and loss of steel manufacturing jobs since 1984 after the miners lost their attempt to save the British mining industry than there were during or after the 1973 miners strike.
But it’s ironic and blows all the stereotypes apart,concerning everyone in Yorkshire supposedely hating her and everything she stood for,while everyone in the South East supported her,that there’s a someone from Yorkshire on here supporting her and someone from Surrey who isn’t and not forgetting it was the Kent miners who were the last to give up during the 1984 strike.
But I think it’s Thatcher who was more of a Commie than Scargill considering which countries have benefitted most from the effective closure/loss of Britain’s mining industry and the global free market economy.If Scargill is guilty of anything it’s that he was too stupid/naive to be a commie infiltrator and maybe the NUM would have stood more chance if it had been led by someone from the Kent coal fields who might have had the foresight to realise that Heath was a better bet to leave in power than zb Wilson or Callaghan until such time as the Labour Party could have got Peter Shore as leader.Instead of which the rest is history of zb Wilson the zb EEC then zb Callaghan then zb Thatcher and more of the zb EEC and the zb global free market economy.
Denis Healey should have been the leader of the Labour party instead of Michael Foot.He would have kicked labour into shape and Thatcher out of power.
It was Healey who helped to lose Labour the 1979 election by telling everyone that we needed wage restraint but forgetting all about the prices side of the equation.Wilson,Healey,Callaghan and Thatcher were all the same lot of idiots and that’s why we’re where we are today.
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
Wheel Nut:
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Dave the Renegade:
Definitely not suitable for Miners,she finished their industryTo be fare she did have some help from Scargill.
news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/ne … 925325.stm
And he managed to bring down the Heath government before that, he is still a bloody communist, it wasn’t the government who closed the steelworks, it was the miners who stopped the coke going in.
I think there’s been more actual ‘closures’ of steelworks and loss of steel manufacturing jobs since 1984 after the miners lost their attempt to save the British mining industry than there were during or after the 1973 miners strike.
But it’s ironic and blows all the stereotypes apart,concerning everyone in Yorkshire supposedely hating her and everything she stood for,while everyone in the South East supported her,that there’s a someone from Yorkshire on here supporting her and someone from Surrey who isn’t and not forgetting it was the Kent miners who were the last to give up during the 1984 strike.
But I think it’s Thatcher who was more of a Commie than Scargill considering which countries have benefitted most from the effective closure/loss of Britain’s mining industry and the global free market economy.If Scargill is guilty of anything it’s that he was too stupid/naive to be a commie infiltrator and maybe the NUM would have stood more chance if it had been led by someone from the Kent coal fields who might have had the foresight to realise that Heath was a better bet to leave in power than zb Wilson or Callaghan until such time as the Labour Party could have got Peter Shore as leader.Instead of which the rest is history of zb Wilson the zb EEC then zb Callaghan then zb Thatcher and more of the zb EEC and the zb global free market economy.
Denis Healey should have been the leader of the Labour party instead of Michael Foot.He would have kicked labour into shape and Thatcher out of power.
It was Healey who helped to lose Labour the 1979 election by telling everyone that we needed wage restraint but forgetting all about the prices side of the equation.Wilson,Healey,Callaghan and Thatcher were all the same lot of idiots and that’s why we’re where we are today.
I don’t agree Carryfast.Healey was a goodd bloke the Tories were frightened of him,but so were some of the wets in the labour party like your man Peter Short.
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
Wheel Nut:
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Dave the Renegade:
Definitely not suitable for Miners,she finished their industryTo be fare she did have some help from Scargill.
news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/ne … 925325.stm
And he managed to bring down the Heath government before that, he is still a bloody communist, it wasn’t the government who closed the steelworks, it was the miners who stopped the coke going in.
I think there’s been more actual ‘closures’ of steelworks and loss of steel manufacturing jobs since 1984 after the miners lost their attempt to save the British mining industry than there were during or after the 1973 miners strike.
But it’s ironic and blows all the stereotypes apart,concerning everyone in Yorkshire supposedely hating her and everything she stood for,while everyone in the South East supported her,that there’s a someone from Yorkshire on here supporting her and someone from Surrey who isn’t and not forgetting it was the Kent miners who were the last to give up during the 1984 strike.
But I think it’s Thatcher who was more of a Commie than Scargill considering which countries have benefitted most from the effective closure/loss of Britain’s mining industry and the global free market economy.If Scargill is guilty of anything it’s that he was too stupid/naive to be a commie infiltrator and maybe the NUM would have stood more chance if it had been led by someone from the Kent coal fields who might have had the foresight to realise that Heath was a better bet to leave in power than zb Wilson or Callaghan until such time as the Labour Party could have got Peter Shore as leader.Instead of which the rest is history of zb Wilson the zb EEC then zb Callaghan then zb Thatcher and more of the zb EEC and the zb global free market economy.
Denis Healey should have been the leader of the Labour party instead of Michael Foot.He would have kicked labour into shape and Thatcher out of power.
It was Healey who helped to lose Labour the 1979 election by telling everyone that we needed wage restraint but forgetting all about the prices side of the equation.Wilson,Healey,Callaghan and Thatcher were all the same lot of idiots and that’s why we’re where we are today.
I don’t agree Carryfast.Healey was a goodd bloke the Tories were frightened of him,but so were some of the wets in the labour party like your man Peter Short.
Don’t think that Shore was any wet.He wanted to leave the EEC/EU,self suffiency in the economy with drastic cuts in imports,and a PRICES and incomes policy.Whereas all Healey and Callaghan had to offer was competition against unfair subsidised trade with the EEC etc,which eventually helped to wreck the mining industry amongst others,wage restraint together with rip roaring price increases and the winter of discontent was the result and the rest is history.
[Don’t think that Shore was any wet.He wanted to leave the EEC/EU,self suffiency in the economy with drastic cuts in imports,and a PRICES and incomes policy.Whereas all Healey and Callaghan had to offer was competition against unfair subsidised trade with the EEC etc,which eventually helped to wreck the mining industry amongst others,wage restraint together with rip roaring price increases and the winter of discontent was the result and the rest is history.
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You can preach chapter and verse Carryfast,as far as I am concerned Denis Healey had more backbone than your man Shore and would have made a good Prime Minister.
After only a short time on the backbenches, Wilson chose Shore to be his Parliamentary Private Secretary, responsible for liaising between the Prime Minister and Labour MPs, though Denis Healey termed him “Harold’s lapdog”.
Dave the Renegade:
You can preach chapter and verse Carryfast,as far as I am concerned Denis Healey had more backbone than your man Shore and would have made a good Prime Minister.
After only a short time on the backbenches, Wilson chose Shore to be his Parliamentary Private Secretary, responsible for liaising between the Prime Minister and Labour MPs, though Denis Healey termed him “Harold’s lapdog”.
The reason why Wilson pushed Shore out of being in any influential job was because of Wilson’s (and Healey’s) support for being in the EEC and leaving British industry open to foreign competition whereas Shore wanted out of it together with import controls.
In addition to which Wilson,Healey and Callaghan all had the same Thatcherite ideas that wage controls were the way to control prices whereas Shore knew that you couldn’t control either without controls on both.There’s no way that Shore would have ever been able to put his ideas into practice so long as Wilson,Healey and all the rest of the Commie/Tory zb’s were able to stop him and it was actually Healey who was more supportive of Wilson’s and then Callaghan’s ideas than Shore.It was actually Wilson who put forward Callaghan to succeed him as leader and Healey supported Callaghan and was then made Chancellor by Callaghan which says everything about who the real lap dog was.
From the miners’ and the rest of British workers’ (and as events have proved the British economy’s) point of view getting rid of Heath and putting Wilson and Callaghan etc into power was their biggest mistake.The NUM actually got ripped off Wilson,by ending up with a worse settlement than had been offered by Heath,after bringing Heath down.
Then Wilson’s lot supported the Tories in keeping us in the EEC by putting out bs propaganda,supporting EEC membership,before the referendum.Then,when Wilson stepped down,what followed,during and after the winter of discontent,was inevitable because of Healey’s Thatcherite ideas on wage restraint,without any controls on prices,which caused the Labour vote to collapse.Thatcher actually got in because the Labour voters saw the Labour Party for what it really was,a bunch of backstabbing zb’s,and stayed at home,not because everyone voted for her.
If the NUM leadership and the TUC had been bright enough they would have called off the 1973 miners strike and left Heath in power to control Thatcher (who he didn’t exactly like much) and put their weight behind Peter Shore to succeed Wilson as leader of the Labour Party and then just wait for the next election.In which case the country wouldn’t be in the position it is now.
Carryfast,your man Peter Shore twice contested the Labour Party leadership, but was easily defeated.Peter Shore was 43 when, in August 1967, Harold Wilson put him in charge of economic affairs and made him the youngest member of the Cabinet, just three years after entering the Commons. At the outset, he declared his belief in state intervention in prices and wages to control the economy.
When Labour lost the 1979 election, Jim Callaghan gave Peter Shore the job of Shadow Foreign Secretary. But when he ran for the Labour leadership in 1980 and 1983, a time when the Left were at their peak, he was easily defeated first by Michael Foot, then by Neil Kinnock.
I’m afraid Carryfast your Mr Shore was a nearly man as far as being Prime Minister.At least Denis Healey came closer to being leader of his party… When Callaghan stepped down as Labour leader in November 1980, Healey was favourite to win the Labour Party leadership election, decided by Labour MPs.
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast,your man Peter Shore twice contested the Labour Party leadership, but was easily defeated.Peter Shore was 43 when, in August 1967, Harold Wilson put him in charge of economic affairs and made him the youngest member of the Cabinet, just three years after entering the Commons. At the outset, he declared his belief in state intervention in prices and wages to control the economy.
When Labour lost the 1979 election, Jim Callaghan gave Peter Shore the job of Shadow Foreign Secretary. But when he ran for the Labour leadership in 1980 and 1983, a time when the Left were at their peak, he was easily defeated first by Michael Foot, then by Neil Kinnock.
I’m afraid Carryfast your Mr Shore was a nearly man as far as being Prime Minister.At least Denis Healey came closer to being leader of his party… When Callaghan stepped down as Labour leader in November 1980, Healey was favourite to win the Labour Party leadership election, decided by Labour MPs.
Exactly he never did get the chance because all the other zb’s made sure that the status quo in which Britain’s inteterests were ditched in favour of cheap imports and cheap labour.The fact that he declared his (correct) belief in state control of ‘prices’ and incomes is what set his ideas apart from those of all the rest who all effectively believed that control of incomes only was the correct way to control prices which has been the flaw in the British economy ever since.
That together with the idea of the global free market economy whereas Shore is on record as being a supporter of the autarkic type of economy.
The state that the place is in now shows who was right and who was wrong.
When the Labour Party went into opposition in 1979, Shore was made Shadow Foreign Secretary, having recanted on his previous support for CND. He was persuaded to stand as a candidate in the election of a new party Leader in November 1980 by Michael Foot who thought he was the best-placed soft-left candidate to defeat Denis Healey. However, Shore came bottom of the poll with 32 votes when Foot was himself persuaded to stand. Foot then made him Shadow Chancellor where his support for interventionist measures met with Foot’s approval; party policy also became opposed to EEC membership, which suited Shore well.
He fought for the leadership again after Foot resigned, but obtained a dismal vote of 3%, being supported by no Constituency Labour Parties at all.
I’m afraid good as you thought he was Carryfast,not many labour people thought the same.
Dave the Renegade:
When the Labour Party went into opposition in 1979, Shore was made Shadow Foreign Secretary, having recanted on his previous support for CND. He was persuaded to stand as a candidate in the election of a new party Leader in November 1980 by Michael Foot who thought he was the best-placed soft-left candidate to defeat Denis Healey. However, Shore came bottom of the poll with 32 votes when Foot was himself persuaded to stand. Foot then made him Shadow Chancellor where his support for interventionist measures met with Foot’s approval; party policy also became opposed to EEC membership, which suited Shore well.
He fought for the leadership again after Foot resigned, but obtained a dismal vote of 3%, being supported by no Constituency Labour Parties at all.
I’m afraid good as you thought he was Carryfast,not many labour people thought the same.
I know all that because I lived through it all as one of Shore’s supporters at the time but it’s actually what happened before that part of history during the Wilson and Callaghan years in the 1970’s when the rot set in and when Shore’s ideas needed to be put into action as leader ready to take on Heath assuming that the miners had been clever enough to let Heath off the hook in '73. 
It’s that failure of both the Unions and the Labour Party in general,to back what Shore was (trying) to do and instead just keeping on supporting the established Labour leadership clique,as set up by Wilson,with their lame old policies which weren’t really much,if any,different to those of the Conservatives,that caused the Labour defeat in the 1979 election and the later one.
Basically all Healey had to offer was continued membership of the EEC and other open competition of British industry with other heavily subsidised foreign industries which were often using cheap underpaid labour,and/or with stronger economies like Germany’s where inflation was lower and prices and incomes were far more closely matched so less need for industrial action to keep wages in line with prices,by (trying to) use government control of wage increases at less than inflation which hit the lowest paid in society hardest.
The Tory idea was,and still is,the hypocritical one of pretending to support free market economics in the labour market but actually doing just as Labour were doing by throwing British industry to the wolves of foreign competition and rigging the labour market by closing down British industries and/or importing cheap foreign labour thereby creating an over supply in the labour market relative to demand,all with exactly the same aim as Wilson’s and Healey’s in keeping wage levels low in a vain attempt to control prices and inflation.Just like today all it did was to create a recession because no one could afford to buy anything and what they did manage to buy was mostly imports which helped foreign economies at the expense of our own.
But you’re right not many Labour people thought the same as me.Which is why we’re where we are now.
As Patrick Cosgrave said about Shore ‘’ he was (would have been) the only possible Labour Party leader who the tories had cause to walk in fear of’'.Probably because they knew that all the rest were basically tories in disguise just like Blair.
As for Thatcher she decimated British industry and our ability to provide for ourselves and our self sufficiency in fuel supplies like coal.When you’ve worked out who actually gained from that it might provide an insight into who’s interests she was actually working for.Certainly not Britain’s.