Now that the smoke has cleared, I am still in a mild state of shock at the scale of the Tory victory in last week’s General Election
I never thought I would ever see Denis Skinner lose his Bolsover seat to a Conservative Party candidate, never imagined that the Durham mining or former mining, communities would go Tory, it’s a situation that even veteran political journalists find astonishing!
People voting for their oppressors, have they forgotten what Thatcher and her regime did to them? What drove these people to turn their backs on the Labour Party?
Was it a lacklustre election campaign? Their manifesto was well received and the campaign was no worse than the Tory effort, A hostile media? No change there from any previous election
Was it all about Brexit? then vote for Mr Farage and his Brexit Party
If it was, in fact, all down to Corbyn then look what you’ve got instead, a white, Old Etonian, Latin speaking, Robert Mugabe
Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it
Take a trip in a time machine back to 1989, you’re in a miners boozer in Bolsover and you tell them in thirty years time Bolsover will elect a Tory as their MP in preference to Denis Skinner, they would laugh you out of the bar… before giving you a good kicking!
I’m made up you’re absolutely crying inside. Thanks
SuperMultiBlue:
I’m made up you’re absolutely crying inside. Thanks
You think Johnson gives a toss about working people? Then dream on sugar britches, this is a guy who does’nt know how many children he’s fathered
Like I said, be careful what you wish for…
Boris won because he is the only one prepared to take us out of the EU and actually has the ability to do so. If Nige would have had a chance of winning and a decent manifesto, Mrs B and I would have voted for him instead.
Here’s some truth folks. Most people are sick to the death of uncontrolled immigration. A large percentage of our EE friends for example have come here to drive trucks and don’t even pay any bloody tax! (Come April 2020 that ship will sail though),it’s about time this country had some control of it’s own destiny. Labour cannot be trusted on the economy and have/had a terrible leader in that idiot Corbyn, a terrorist sympathiser and a yellow belly who would not use a nuclear weapon to defend us all if required.
But these nurses, police officers, prison officers, teachers and hospitals better start turning up sharpish or Boris will be out as quick as he got in.
bigdave789:
You think Johnson gives a toss about working people? .
You think that any MP gives a toss about working people other than the ones working in their factories/wharehouses/call centres?
what TF has thatcher got to do with an election in 2019■■? 
… After all the frenzy on social media and all the “gaffes” it came down to simple questions IMO.
Who should be in charge of the economy and public finances. Who do you trust to defend our borders and public finances and who do you want to represent Britain in the world.
In the policy area the Conservatives had reasonably centrist and sensible policies and Labour were batshit crazy. On the leadership front Boris is a devisive figure, and fairly unpopular by historical standards, but most of his detractors probably think the worst we can expect from his leadership is laziness and that he would spend his time chasing tail at No.10. Meanwhile over in the red corner we had Corbyn the anti-western terrorist sympathiser who even Labour MPs still remaining in his party thought was a danger to national security.
The quiet people of Britain spoke once again and there wasn’t much choice for most of them.
Have to admit I was getting a little worried and some had me concerned that what mattered in today’s internet age was not policies and leadership, but how you reacted to staged ambushes by the press. In the end though the public saw through all the crap to what truly mattered.
Time for the Conservatives not to let down the ordinary working people who voted for them. As well as already announced commitments on NLW, bring up the threshold for NI and targeted increases in public spending I would like some thought put into making benefits a genuine safety net for those who pay for it.
bigdave789:
Now that the smoke has cleared, I am still in a mild state of shock at the scale of the Tory victory in last week’s General Election
I never thought I would ever see Denis Skinner lose his Bolsover seat to a Conservative Party candidate, never imagined that the Durham mining or former mining, communities would go Tory, it’s a situation that even veteran political journalists find astonishing!
People voting for their oppressors, have they forgotten what Thatcher and her regime did to them? What drove these people to turn their backs on the Labour Party?
Was it a lacklustre election campaign? Their manifesto was well received and the campaign was no worse than the Tory effort, A hostile media? No change there from any previous election
Was it all about Brexit? then vote for Mr Farage and his Brexit Party
If it was, in fact, all down to Corbyn then look what you’ve got instead, a white, Old Etonian, Latin speaking, Robert Mugabe
Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it
Take a trip in a time machine back to 1989, you’re in a miners boozer in Bolsover and you tell them in thirty years time Bolsover will elect a Tory as their MP in preference to Denis Skinner, they would laugh you out of the bar… before giving you a good kicking!
Another disgruntled remainer/remoaner by any chance? 
Where do I start with this?..Oh yeh like this, an answer to your 2nd post. Who cares a flying ■■■■ how many kids he has or has not? 
, how does that affect or effect how he leads the country exactly?
The result of this election was a message to both the establishment, (who thought they could just ignore the majority of the people who voted to leave the EU,)and those who loved to tell the rest of us (aka the majority) that we ‘‘Did not know what we were voting for’’ …seems like we did after all eh?
The country voted with their feet for somebody who is determined to get us tf out of this corrupt organisation…so ■■■■ it up. 
(The biggest pleasure I got out of this was that silly cow who lost her seat as Lib Dem leader, who personifies my point on all this.)
The Labour Party should learn a lesson from all this, if they want to win the next election by recuperating all the lost votes, they need to read their own history and go back to their grass roots reason to be…to represent the working classes, in conjunction with trade Unions, in an effort to maximise worker’s t.s and c.s and obtain a better quality of life away from injustices set out by unscrupulous employers.
Boris J may be an old Etonian and all the rest of it, but a lot better than the alternative unelectable candidate with all the negative baggage he carried, and his absolute joke of a cabinet of clowns,… the likes if Diane Abbot says it all.
Let’s see how and what he does, before we condemn him.
Give him a chance to put his money where his gob is.
Those traditional Labour strongholds would still be Labour seats if the party hadn’t deserted the working class.
Instead it became an institution centred around Islington and the metropolitan luvvie class of champagne socialists, people well represented on the front opposition benches who can’t abide the genuine working class of the country, and can’t replace them quickly enough with another class of people whom they can patronise by giving them someone else’s money.
What socialists always get wrong is the working class, the working class arn’t as thick as the Labour party imagine and generally they arn’t socialist at all, they are small c conservatives, who want proper jobs and to be able to provide for their families, they want decent places to live where they can raise those families in safety without having gangs of thugs turning once decent neighbourhoods into no go zones for normal people.
The working class don’t want freebies, they’ve learned the hard way through years and generations of hard work in their families that nothing comes for free, and that socialists always have their hands in your wallet to pay for all the free stuff they offer to bribe minority groups for votes, the small and diminishing number of fools who believe the crap they talk.
Throughout history socialists have disarmed people and then gone about slaughtering them by the million, socialists can’t be trusted, they wax lyrical about equality and freedom whilst making sure they are the ones more equal and taking away freedoms from everyone else as fast as they can manage it.
Brexit killed the Labour party, the writing was on the wall after May’s election debacle, had the labour party become the champions of clean break Brexit and moderated their rhetoric, they could have reversed what has happened this time, but oh no, just like thay always do they fail completely to see what is plainly in front of their faces, instead of answering the understandable national mood, they condemned everyone who dared not agree with them calling them everything you could think of.
Well the last 3.5 years proved beyond all doubt to anyone listening exactly what the political class thought of them, the working class were despised and insulted, the message went home alright.
This election was the 2nd Referendum, Labour and the Libs and the SNP (aided and abetted by various wet tories and a political judiciary) wished to deny the result of the democratic Referendum of 2016, and the electorate his given its response, get over it.
Just for your info, i’m no Tory, they do not speak for me and i do not trust them and i haven’t voted for one of the 2.5 parties for decades including this time, but millions of people came to the conclusion that the Tories under Johnson is their best bet to get the Brexit the country demanded 3.5 years ago, time will tell if they were right or whether the Tories revert to type and betray the country, i do not know and frankly no longer care.
I’m sorry Dennis Skinner lost his seat, i respected that man, and i’m even more sorry Caroline Flint lost hers, though arguably she is far too sensible to be in the current Labour party anyway.
Labour can use the next 5 years to grow up and become the party of the self respecting and capable of thought majority working class once more, or it can carry on doing the same as it has been and wonder why in 5 years time it loses again by an even bigger majority.
Give you a tip, the elephant in the room is mass immigration, it has changed this country into a place barely recognisable and it will never be the same again, put forward a sensible immigration policy whilst the Tories deliberately ignore the issue for fear of being labelled 'ists could be the ticket to recovering the Labour party.
As said before,Labour no longer represent the working class. Emily Thornberry typifies the contempt the idealogues of the far left have for the very people they are supposed to represent. She belittles someone flying an England flag and driving a white van in her constituency and now Caroline Flint has gone on the record that the charming Emily told her that’she’s glad my constituents aren’t as stupid as yours. And Corbyn, supported by Gerry Adams, Nick Griffin, Hamas and that David bloke that used to be in charge of the KKK, he isn’t interested in working class people, he has a communist regime to implement that would see us all poorer - hint Modern Monetary Theory can’t work, you cannot borrow and not pay back, at some point the debt collector comes calling. I don’t recollect Corbyn at any time appearing in a factory during his election campaign.
The working class ren’t even on these people’s radar.
Secondly, remind me again what Labour’s Brexit policy was…get a better deal and then campaign against it (it might have changed, difficult to keep track unless you signed up for hourly updates). An all us thick,racist, bigoted, Northern Leavers actually expect democracy to win out; we aren’t supposed to be Zimbabwe or Afghanistan, we are supposed to vote and then the vote is implemented. I voted Leave after some dithering, if Remain had won that would have what it was, but once Leave won then the deal was done and I can’t abide a deal being reneged on.
When 15 of your own MPs don’t support the leader in the run up, then you really need to look at yourself. Labour need to decide do they want to be the party that spends its time ■■■■■■■■ about Israel, being terminally perplexed about transgender loos at Labour HQ and indulging in fantasy economics, or do they go back to what Labour is supposed to about, supporting the working man, which includes the simple fact that a lot are pretty traditional, a solid not overblown sense of patriotism, a sense of belonging to the area they live in and the wish that their children grow up in a sane world instead of this stupid intersectionality carp they listen to.
As for Jo Swansong, pfft!
I forgot to mention that Anna Soubry bint,.another one of those democracy deniers who got her comeuppance.
Grinning all over her ugly dial outside the courtroom when they scuppered Boris’s plans on a legal technicality, bet she ain’t grinning now on her way to look for a job.
Never been one to gloat, but for these pompous patronising remainer ■■■■ s , I’ll make an exception.
Yawn…sore looser,is still a looser,what’s 30 years ago got to do with it?
30 years before Gormleys strike…we were at war with Germany n Japan?
People sick of London luvie centric labour expecting any clown on labour ticket getting elected,shame brexit party split vote or been two less clowns up here,no lecture on the past required,live nr Durham
maga:
Time for the Conservatives not to let down the ordinary working people who voted for them. As well as already announced commitments on NLW, bring up the threshold for NI and targeted increases in public spending I would like some thought put into making benefits a genuine safety net for those who pay for it.
That’s going to be a big disappointment then because without increases in taxation and everyone in work paying national insurance there isn’t going to be the money for the State pension, any increases in public spending or any safety net benefits for those who have paid in.
We hear quite a bit about admiration for an older generation, but ask around if people are prepared to pay more to support the elderly, the long term sick or disabled, or to provide a decent level of pension and the real answer is that they would in their hearts prefer if those members of the population simply weren’t there any more.
We’ll wait to see but it’ll become clear that it was all lies yet again.
What Robroy,Juddian and Albion said +1.
I believe the whole situation was precipated initially by Farage.From the time the EU parliament laughed at him to today it is totally down to him that we had a referendum and the recent election.He has and is much derided in the press and does not please many including myself but he deserves credit for contributing to Boris’s victory.Let’s see how his deal works out.
The SNP do well out of our current system.1’2 mill votes for 48 seats(4% share);Brexit 642,000 votes,2% share for 0 seats.
I don’t know a single scot who doesn’t froth at the mouth at the mention of Sturgeon’s name.
Nicola Sturgeon has kept our ship on a steady course so I am one Scot not all frothy mouthed. Labour were unelectable with that silly old man and Diann Abbot. The Tories really had no opposition down South.
Gotta tip my hat to the same three of you here. Aren’t we all just fed up to the back teeth of being told about “politically correct schemes” all the time, rather than just getting things done in our constituencies that we actually care about?
Farage imo - is undoubtedly “Man of the Match”.
To paraphrase Churchill,
“Never before in the field of open politics has so much been achieved one person on behalf of so many who never got to vote for him”.
forget that Greater Gorgon kid, who really needs to be “back in school, on the other side of the Baltic” or whatever.
When labour were going to dole out all the cash …free train rides ect Ithought they were going to walk it so I had a tenner on them at sixteen to one I thought it would dry my eyes.thank god they did not win.The libs were dead an buried they stood on stop brexit and they were stuffed all these marches and stamping around thank god the silent majority spoke and wow did we tell them.
eagerbeaver:
Boris won because he is the only one prepared to take us out of the EU and actually has the ability to do so. If Nige would have had a chance of winning and a decent manifesto, Mrs B and I would have voted for him instead.Here’s some truth folks. Most people are sick to the death of uncontrolled immigration. A large percentage of our EE friends for example have come here to drive trucks and don’t even pay any bloody tax! (Come April 2020 that ship will sail though),it’s about time this country had some control of it’s own destiny. Labour cannot be trusted on the economy and have/had a terrible leader in that idiot Corbyn, a terrorist sympathiser and a yellow belly who would not use a nuclear weapon to defend us all if required.
But these nurses, police officers, prison officers, teachers and hospitals better start turning up sharpish or Boris will be out as quick as he got in.
More immigrants come to the UK from non EU countries than from the EU.
Really, it’s a fact, go and check it out. Which means the UK has control, complete control, on whether these immigrants are allowed in or not.
Non EU immigration has nothing to do with Brussels or the EU, it’s up to the UK.
So why is Brexit the magic bullet to stop uncontrolled immigration?
I will ■■■■ myself laughing if they make Diane Abbott their leader as she ticks quite a few snowflake boxes.
I really don’t think even the Labour Party is that stupid though [emoji23]
We shall see…
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