Salisbury / novichok

any of you lads drive in salisbury,whats the word ?

everything i read on the news is vague on the subject,i just got to thinking what happens next,i mean if it turns out the Govt know for sure that a Russian is leaving plenty of it around on purpose. Could /would we have the firepower to launch a decent strike

google.fr/search?rlz=1C1JZA … kz5uLQnofw

Its on its way…Yee Hah !

I’d imagine that Russia are quaking in fear at the possibility of us flexing our military muscle :unamused:

is it “against the rules” to take out the leader ? id do that if i was in charge,with some novichok on a limo door handle praps? SAS plant it during the night im thinking if you get the leader that ends the trouble or is that naive. or a long range snipers shot, surely wev still got the know how to carry that off

Personally I’d put down the Andy McNab/Bravo Two Zero type books and not be so naive as to believe everything our own government says…

corij:
is it “against the rules” to take out the leader ? id do that if i was in charge,with some novichok on a limo door handle praps? SAS plant it during the night im thinking if you get the leader that ends the trouble or is that naive. or a long range snipers shot, surely wev still got the know how to carry that off

2 pints of whatever you’re on… :unamused:

Putin’s Russia is not our enemy, the bringer of our doom is far closer with too many protected status fifth columnists already in place.

As for attacking Russia :unamused: , that’s been tried many times and by armies not decimated by decades of politicians-of-betrayal, the land running deep red with the blood of the attackers every time.

toonsy:
Personally I’d put down the Andy McNab/Bravo Two Zero type books and not be so naive as to believe everything our own government says…

Believe everything our gov says? No. Of course not, but that doesnt make the opposite true of course. Believe Putins denials? (Not us in the Crimea! & Why would we interfere in the US elections?). No.

Balance of probabilities (IMHO by a lot) its Russia did the deed. Motive, opportunity, means. You dont need to find a deeper meaning to everything, sometimes the obvious solution is correct.
Diana died in a car driven by a drunk. Neil Armstrong walked on the moon. Putin orders killings of defectors. And there`s a guy works down our fish shop…

ah yes the Diana case. Somewhere recently i read that her limo was still in storage .and her bodyguards who was in the car has never spoken since
And i also read that when the royals have their hair cut the bits are always taken away not left around, prob so Harrys dna isnt checked

talking of conspiracys , at the time of Rolf Harris trial i was browsing on facebook,the page of lead singer with the Three Degrees no less. i commented on a photo she had just uploaded it was taken in the 70s in Bray,London and by a stroke of luck she was online same time and replied to me. Id seen Rolf on telly on the river at Bray,that very day- turns out she was his neighbour 25yrs-she then told me "theres a lot more to this than what you read,but i cant say " iv allus wondered since,was he set up ?

corij:
ah yes the Diana case. Somewhere recently i read that her limo was still in storage .and her bodyguards who was in the car has never spoken since

(ISBN 0-446-61004-6)

Salisbury,Amesbury and Porton Down,I don’t think it was Russians that did this probably some loose cannon who works at Porton Down,seems too close for a coincidence.

corij:
is it “against the rules” to take out the leader ? id do that if i was in charge,with some novichok on a limo door handle praps? SAS plant it during the night im thinking if you get the leader that ends the trouble or is that naive. or a long range snipers shot, surely wev still got the know how to carry that off

There’s plenty of ex-boyo’s who sit in rdc waiting rooms, perhaps they could take the job on, as long as it’s only 8hrs, no night out and which sat-nav will they need in their trolly dolly bag.

It’s theatre for weak minds to be led & controlled by our corrupt leaders, nothing more nothing less. Anyone thinking we’d stand any sort of chance in a war with Russia is suffering severe delusions. Remember the slogan - all in it together - that they are, uk, us, Israel, Russia & all there minion country’s - against us the ones that create the wealth for them corrupt morons to live off, time some of you got your head out your arse instead of pointing fingers elsehere! Rant over!! Enjoy your Saturday night.

Its a Conspiracy between the Russians and the Conservative party to make people move out of Salisbury so the can fill it up with asylum seekers. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Franglais:
Believe everything our gov says? No. Of course not, but that doesnt make the opposite true of course. Believe Putins denials? (Not us in the Crimea

:confused:

Since when did Putin ever claim to not have taken back Crimea on the justified basis that it is a part of Russia that was only handed to Ukraine as part of and on the basis of the ongoing existence of the Soviet Union.No more SU with Russia and Ukraine being independent sovereign countries then Crimea is obviously Russia not Ukraine.

While even Eastern Ukraine could also justifiably be classed as Russia on the same basis that Northern Ireland is part of the UK not Eire.IE majority Russian loyalist ethnic Russian demographic. :bulb:

As for Putin wanting to carry out a chem weapons attack against us.It’s more likely to be a Ukrainian instigated false flag and MI5 and May know it.Having said that feel free to support the EU’s expansionist interests in Ukraine by going to war with Russia.On the naive basis that it would be limited to a small Falklands type skirmish somewhere way out in the North Sea or Baltic followed by an easy Brit victory. :unamused:

This is how our establishment want us to see it:

KGB on the way to Salisbury.jpg

The reality is more likely to be a Kiev agent, who will be a Russian speaker (albeit with a West Ukrainian Accent) who hate the former mother country with a passion - or at least the North West of them do. The South East meanwhile, have held a referendum to break away, only to have that vote “ignored” by both Kiev and the EU for mutual expansionistic reasons.

Que “Borgia-Like” Kiev, who not content with likely using left-over ex-Russian surplus SAM systems to down a plane full of innocents to get the West’s attention - but continue to act with impunity as only a Mafioso like outfit can do. Try and poison some “Spent” spies, not of much use to either Britain or Russia… Fail in doing that (likely due to the Novichok not being very “fresh” let’s say), and then what next? "Put some in a bottle marked “Perfume”, and stick it in a bin for some dustbin diver to find, and then foolishly spray on oneself■■?
So the Novichoc used on the Scripals was “Spent”< but this latest batch, we’re told IS the “same batch” - is somehow a zillion times more potent? - Plus even this lot hasn’t killed them both…

Kiev stand to gain a lot out of “putting the UK off leaving the EU” and of course “getting Russia ostracized by the world community” at the same time.

Their politics is “You cannot prove anything, so anything your government says will be believed.”

The other question outstanding is, “Why our our supposedly Pro-UK People government - FALLING for all this crap?”

Are they being fooled, or are they just in on it then?

Winseer:
The reality is more likely to be a Kiev agent, who will be a Russian speaker (albeit with a West Ukrainian Accent) who hate the former mother country with a passion - or at least the North West of them do. The South East meanwhile, have held a referendum to break away, only to have that vote “ignored” by both Kiev and the EU for mutual expansionistic reasons.

Que “Borgia-Like” Kiev, who not content with likely using left-over ex-Russian surplus SAM systems to down a plane full of innocents to get the West’s attention - but continue to act with impunity as only a Mafioso like outfit can do. Try and poison some “Spent” spies, not of much use to either Britain or Russia… Fail in doing that (likely due to the Novichok not being very “fresh” let’s say), and then what next? "Put some in a bottle marked “Perfume”, and stick it in a bin for some dustbin diver to find, and then foolishly spray on oneself■■?
So the Novichoc used on the Scripals was “Spent”< but this latest batch, we’re told IS the “same batch” - is somehow a zillion times more potent? - Plus even this lot hasn’t killed them both…

Kiev stand to gain a lot out of “putting the UK off leaving the EU” and of course “getting Russia ostracized by the world community” at the same time.

Their politics is “You cannot prove anything, so anything your government says will be believed.”

The other question outstanding is, “Why our our supposedly Pro-UK People government - FALLING for all this crap?”

Are they being fooled, or are they just in on it then?

+1

Carryfast:

Franglais:
Believe everything our gov says? No. Of course not, but that doesnt make the opposite true of course. Believe Putins denials? (Not us in the Crimea

:confused:

Since when did Putin ever claim to not have taken back Crimea on the justified basis that it is a part of Russia that was only handed to Ukraine as part of and on the basis of the ongoing existence of the Soviet Union.No more SU with Russia and Ukraine being independent sovereign countries then Crimea is obviously Russia not Ukraine.

While even Eastern Ukraine could also justifiably be classed as Russia on the same basis that Northern Ireland is part of the UK not Eire.IE majority Russian loyalist ethnic Russian demographic. :bulb:

As for Putin wanting to carry out a chem weapons attack against us.It’s more likely to be a Ukrainian instigated false flag and MI5 and May know it.Having said that feel free to support the EU’s expansionist interests in Ukraine by going to war with Russia.On the naive basis that it would be limited to a small Falklands type skirmish somewhere way out in the North Sea or Baltic followed by an easy Brit victory. :unamused:

npr.org/sections/thetwo-way … 2243070052

A contemporary report from that well known pinko organisation US NPR…

Franglais:
npr.org/sections/thetwo-way … 2243070052

A contemporary report from that well known pinko organisation US NPR…

So Putin admits that he’s got local loyalist Russian forces operating in the Russian territory of Crimea.How is that not an admission that he rightly views Crimea as Russian territory just as we view Northern Ireland as Brit ?.IE he hasn’t said anywhere that Crimea isn’t a part of Russia or that Russia isn’t there in whatever form.While it’s bleedin clear enough that he’s actually saying in diplomatic speak yes we are there and being rightfully ours we’ve taken it back but we aren’t looking for a fight over it.But if you really want one you’ll get one.Feel free to turn down his obvious offer of a peaceful settlement in that regard.

youtube.com/watch?v=UKwTFT0ny6o

Which leaves the question on what grounds do you regard Crimea as not being part of Russia.Oh wait if the EU says it’s part of the EU then it is and you’re prepared to go to war allied with your Kraut mates to make it so.I see Vichy France is still alive and kicking with its Brit ex pat supporters like Edward V111. :unamused:

Perhaps a look at “Kiev’s Agenda” along with “Putin’s Agenda” might be considered now?

Putin is in power for another five years at least, has a popular mandate generally rubbished by western powers who like to pour doubt onto the validity of “Russian Elections”.
We have reached an impasse in the world these days where “anywhere that the Liberal Left cannot win - means there must have been something wrong with the ballot”. That is just the zero policy lot playing the “have have no policies but criticize the incumbent”. Actually, that is usually the opposition’s job to do fair enough, but when you as “opposition” are basically a load of rabble rousing criminals intent on driving your own country to civil war - perhaps it is time to look at other methods of keeping order.
In fact, Putin has been rather soft on the Left in Russia. Free speech is apparently supported by him, and some rather strange and absurd laws are enforced, if the Frankie programme on BBC Iplayer (Cheerleaders for the Left both) is anything to go by.

Back over in the West, we have Right-shifted-to-Center leaders like Merkel, May, and Rutte. The deserted Right have now surged with “proper” Right wingers however, and it is likely that the Right wing parties will conitnue to make gains in all three countries involved. Germany, the UK, and the Netherlands.

In Germany, AfD have gone from zero to 94 seats in one surge.
In Holland, Right Winger Geert Wilders has won 20 seats, the second largest number after incumbent Prime Minister Mark Rutte. Despite “second” - Geert Wilders was not invited into any coalition however, forcing the Right to win an overall majority before they will be taken seriously.

In Britain, our next election may well do the same kind of pattern. UKIP might win the most seats for example, but the Labour and Conservative losers, may well be able to command the magic 326 seats between them, and continue to sideline “winners” UKIP as a result, perhaps even by a handful of seats. Such a scenario might be
Conservative 167 seats (-150) Labour 162 seats (-100) UKIP 204 seats (+204) SNP 8 seats (-27) Libdem 0 seats (-12) DUP 9 seats (-1) Sinn Fein 9 seats (+2) Green Party 4 seats (+3) Plaid Cymru 2 (-2) and the prediction that the speaker will lose their seat to an independent in a similar manner to Neil Hamilton losing the supposedly safe seat of Tatton to Martin Bell in 1997. “Others” will make up the balance.

This, like in Germany - would put UKIP into the “Official Opposition” position, and would make them part of the privy council. That is actually quite a coup for UKIP, as they would be able to hold both Labour and Conservative’s “feet to the fire” as Farage once promised - without fear of having to be actually “responsible for anything” for now. Corbyn, of course - occupies that position at present, albeit having dropped the ball already by not being “Opposition to Cameron” when Cameron sided for Remain. If Corbyn had done the obvious thing, and campaigned for Vote Leave - he would have long since become Prime Minster by this point. :unamused: :unamused:

The electorate are becoming increasingly more difficult to “Lie to”. We all want proof these days, and many of us take the view “If you can’t show us it happening on full HD video - then it hasn’t happened!”

If we’re gonna buy this novichoc ■■■■■■■■, we are going to have to see

Named Suspects on CCTV
Proof that the footage has not been tampered with.
Named other suspects also on CCTV, with reasons why they are suspects
Proof that the footage has not been tampered with.
CCTV footage of these suspects coming through customs
Questions being asked as to why their baggage was not checked.
Inventories of Novichoc throughout the UK
Lists of laboratories capable of making Novichoc within the UK, within the wider EU.

…but most of all - an actual MOTIVE for why “Russia” would bother being an apparent “Rogue State” over a bunch of nobodies. If it had been a prominent VIP killed, a Rothschild banker, a sitting cabinet minister, etc. - then we might have been more inclined to believe that this whole thing “Slipped MI5’s Net”. As it stands though, it is hard to believe that MI5 are not actually in league with his lot, or at least “laughably fooled” by what should be a bunch of “Easy to Beat” Kiev agents punching above their weight, as they appear to be doing all the time these days, as does Erdogan’s Turkey.