Brexit will achieve nothing

Obviously RT is a propaganda channel of Putin’s regime, and I’m sure Putin and his foot soldiers will use this video as a showcase of how close to collapse is dirty american capitalism, but none the less interesting listening.
Might help Brexiters to understand who’s to blame for their stagnating wages.
Unless you don’t unite with workers from other countries and don’t dismantle the current globalization, Brexit will achieve absolutely nothing.
I suspect you need to experience it all on your own skin before you realize who is really to blame for your misfortune.

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Putin is a Right-winger, and a strong arm politician. Remainers should be more alarmed by the fact that the previous center voters (myself included) are being forced further and further to the Right, since we’re simply not getting what we voted for, be that Leave or even “Vote Conservative, get Globalist Centerist instead” which is the state of play right now.

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To RT’s credit - I would state that it is a lot less biased than the BBC right now, and therefore represents a rather more interesting channel to watch, with a balance of “Leftie”, “Centerist” and “Right-Wing” programmes of interest…

“Question More” is a very apt slogan for the post-truth age we now live in, too - of course.

Meanwhile, Remainers have offered NO concessions for “why we should go back in”. For “more of what we were getting before”? - No thanks!

It doesn’t matter who is right or wrong based on what they personally believe. What matters is when enough people believe something - it swings politics in new directions, which the incumbents all did not bargain for. The EU doesn’t work. Socialism doesn’t work. Capitalism - has not been allowed to work.

No one meanwhile has said much about “Democracy on the ropes” and “Freedom of Religion” has now become in the West comparable to having paid ■■■ with the dirtiest dockyard skank without a condom on a bank holiday weekend. Lower religious fervour among the Brits has left us wide open to the “Islamic Inquisition” that is now upon us.

ALL our sociali policies - need a massive overhaul now. “Brexit” is just the opening salvo.

“Make Life Great again” rather than “Britain” or “America” or “The West”.

I can assure you though that a full, 100% hard Brexit - WILL achieve plenty - and this is why we’re being denied it of course.

“Let’s do something we’ll call Brexit, - but it’ll actually be Remain on harsher terms than before.”

F… that. :imp:

Hey Kloss,or is that zb Klaus,Putin may or may not be many things but it’s obvious that you’re just an EU Federalist who sees Russia as a potential Nationalist,not Globalist,threat to your stinking collapsing EU reich.On that note who cares if the remainers have actually predictably won this battle when we’re much better off going along with the bigger picture of a Federalist v Nationalist war supporting the AfD and FN etc from within.In which case it’s clear that the argument has moved on from your and zb Raab’s now irrelevant pathetic remain v Leave diversionary bs to what type of Europe do we want.That certainly not being Germany’s 4th Reich leading us into another fight with Russia that it can’t win.

Winseer:
“Let’s do something we’ll call Brexit, - but it’ll actually be Remain on harsher terms than before.”

F… that. :imp:

It’s becoming increasingly clear and likely that the whole bs Brexit scam was all just about removing the possibility of UK Nationalists supporting their European allies and counterparts.By getting rid of any UK Nationalist PR elected representation in the European parliament while maintaining all the rest of the status quo.On that note it’s obvious that this was always about the question do we want a Nationalist Europe or a Federalist Europe and Brexit was just a tactic dream’t up by the Federalists in the form of Cameron and Hammond in that regard to isolate UK Nationalism from European Nationalism and in doing so to keep power away from it and actually strengthen the hand of European Fedralism not weaken it.IE do we really think that our ideologically Federalist parliament was ever going to vote for anything which would help and strengthen the hand of European Nationalism in the form of proper Brexit. :bulb:

The tipping point will be when the Police and Army move to the side of the people. France 1789 springs to mind. :neutral_face:

Winseer:
The tipping point will be when the Police and Army move to the side of the people. France 1789 springs to mind. :neutral_face:

There’s so few police and army left so would it make much difference ? …

raymundo:

Winseer:
The tipping point will be when the Police and Army move to the side of the people. France 1789 springs to mind. :neutral_face:

There’s so few police and army left so would it make much difference ? …

The army won’t do anything unless it’s ordered to by the Queen.

While to be fair the last true English resistance force in that regard was Hereward the Wake’s.As for France they invaded us and wiped out our National identity then pressed Englishmen into fighting French wars over French Plantagenet power struggles not to mention getting us involved in WW1.While the result of 1789 was Napoleon’s plans for Europe.That all ended well.While we’ve got Royals who obviously prefer the name of Louis to Athelstan or Harold.That says everything. :bulb: :wink:

raymundo:

Winseer:
The tipping point will be when the Police and Army move to the side of the people. France 1789 springs to mind. :neutral_face:

There’s so few police and army left so would it make much difference ? …

Well, yes actually. You don’t need the Army and police to actually DO anything (bearing in mind the Police don’t do anything now!)

What I’m seeing coming here is a time when a wave of civil disobedience gives way to what I’ll call “Righteous Indignation” violence against the kind of lawbreakers that our polizei can’t be arsed to mop up any longer.

Was it the armed soldiers manning the guillotines? - Nope. Just “Citizen Robespierre” types, who didn’t last much longer, as even he got fed to his own “revolutionary inquisition” (Reign of Terror) in the end. Perhaps he should have stopped when all the aristocrats that couldn’t bribe their way out of the country - were topped? - No. He had to slide the bar down to take out middle class people as well. Once it became apparent that anyone owning more than the clothes they stood up in was at risk of La Guillotine as much as the bewigged aristocracy - the end was nigh for the “first” round of “Hard Left” Republicanism. Bonaparte would have found it easy to take over when he did a few years hence, because he’d got noticed, and there was no one else who wanted the bloody job of running France by that point!

Imagine what would happen in the near future if say, Labour were to win an outright majority election victory (doesn’t matter how large…) and the first things they did was to SCRAP Brexit (because the EU offered them meaty concessions only for the UK establishment’s benefit for doing thus) and also started PERSECUTING those rabble raisers, such as protesting Brexiteers, anyone Right of Karl Marx, and anyone with enough cash left to pay fines for all kinds of new “Offences” for so much as “walking on the cracks in the pavement in a funny way”.

The main reason the death penalty was done away with in this country - was to protect those at the top from those at the bottom.

If Law and Order breaks down though - who will give a ■■■■ about “What’s on the statute books, and what’s not”?

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Mind you, we Brits would probably resort to traditional Hemp rather than bugger about with sliding blade contraptions…

Winseer:
Imagine what would happen in the near future if say, Labour were to win an outright majority election victory (doesn’t matter how large…) and the first things they did was to SCRAP Brexit (because the EU offered them meaty concessions only for the UK establishment’s benefit for doing thus) and also started PERSECUTING those rabble raisers, such as protesting Brexiteers, anyone Right of Karl Marx, and anyone with enough cash left to pay fines for all kinds of new “Offences” for so much as “walking on the cracks in the pavement in a funny way”.

Absolutely the next Labour administration will be the most reactionary bunch of nutters this country has ever seen.In which case they won’t bother with fitting people up with bs crimes to get their hands on their cash.They’ll just go for full on across the board property confiscation and wealth ‘re distribution’.On that note it’s clear that we’re in uncharted territory where democracy is no longer fit for purpose in being a satisfactory reference point in being able to reconcile the impossible divisions between Socialism v Nationalism nor is there any place for the pointless so called Conservative centre right in that.There is now a clear line drawn between the UKIP vote v Lab/LibDem with neither side willing to recognise or accept any mandate held over it by the other.As we’ve seen in the case of Brexit.

Carryfast:
The army won’t do anything unless it’s ordered to by the Queen.

While to be fair the last true English resistance force in that regard was Hereward the Wake’s.As for France they invaded us and wiped out our National identity then pressed Englishmen into fighting French wars over French Plantagenet power struggles not to mention getting us involved in WW1.While the result of 1789 was Napoleon’s plans for Europe.That all ended well.While we’ve got Royals who obviously prefer the name of Louis to Athelstan or Harold.That says everything.

“The army…ordered by the Queen”. So the Queen was responsible for the 2nd Iraq war? Lets Tony off the hook then I spose?

“English resistance force in that regard was Hereward the Wake’s”
Hereward the Wake was an Anglo Saxon wasn`t he?
One of the descendants of the Germanic tribes who migrated into these islands in the fifth century?

“As for France they invaded us” Surely not?. The Normans invaded in 1066 before the French existed.

“wiped out our National identity then pressed Englishmen into fighting French wars”.
English and other peoples from the British Isles (with their National Identity intact IMHO) were certainly involved in French wars between 1066 and 1914. Normally on different sides of course, such as the Napoleonic wars you cite.

“Napoleon’s plans for Europe.That all ended well.” For a couple of hundred years Europe was the Imperial, Cultural, and Economic centre of the world, so yep, you`re right.

“we’ve got Royals who obviously prefer the name of Louis” Maybe they are fans of jazz trumpeters?

And dont take any of the above too seriously, CF. :smiley: After all, we are ALL genetically 99.9% the same as each other, 96% similar to a chimpanzee, and 90% the same as a cat. So its easy to see why a nice cat is a better choice than a nasty truck driver for a single lady. :cry:

We might not have to wait until March 2019 to realize that we’ve all been had - remainers and brexiteers alike.

If this government continues to kick the brexit ball down the road any further - then even Remainers will start to feel the pinch of “No man’s land starting to bite”.

Our parliament is going to the summer recess a week early.

The thing to watch out for come this autumn’s state opening of parliament is two-fold:

Hammond, if still chancellor (more likely, now we’re going to recess early…) doesn’t drop his plans for massive tax rises to fund the NHS… Whilst trying to stop voters migrating to Labour, he’ll haemorrage voters to UKIP - because Tory-voting Taxpayers have had enough of his bull!

May, if still PM by November (more likely, now we’re going to recess early…) - will likely “forget” to put her plan for “no deal” into the Queen’s speech, demanding instead… “I just need another year - honest! I will deliver Brexit!

This moment, when the Queen’s speech is bereft of the final Brexit plan - will be the revelation and tipping point that will spark a new UKIP surge easily as strong as Corbyn’s surprise one at last year’s election. Even more so - because a lot of that Labour surge - was actually over a million of the 4m UKIP voters from 2015 - “Lending their vote” to Labour as a one-off!

Now they realize that Labour have no plans for a “Left version of Hard Brexit” EITHER - what choice to people have? - It is either “Give UKIP a go” or “Oh well never mind, I wasn’t that bothered about Brexit anyways” - which is what Remainers would like us to all think is the truth, and has been all along…

The truth will out - at the next election then!

Other things to watch for in the meantime…

“Fabricated stories about UKIP’s leadership”.
“Bigged-up convictions of anyone who’s so much as had a drink in the pub at the same time as a UKIP member”.
“Suggestions that the Leave campaigners could all go to jail”.

Erm. Some of these seem to be already happening of course. :unamused: