Greenfell aniversary

Is it just me or is all that stuff last week completely over the top.
A tragic fire ? absolutely, but a bit disproportional in terms of media coverage compared to other tragedies. :bulb: …why is that?
Official figure 79 dead…that we know of, what about all the other deaths of illegal immigrants (allegedlly) that appears to be not allowed to be mentioned.
Have a look at this, it illustrates perfectly my point.
youtu.be/ZM1ZCnliNB4

Very sad and one of the worst ways imaginable to leave this earth, but once it got hijacked for political purposes, I stopped listening.

I’m not 100% sure but I seem to remember that the Grenfall date coincided with the anniversary of another occasion of mass loss of life that was barely mentioned. Somewhere in the south Atlantic I think :imp: :imp:

I only watch sport…so I didn’t see any of it.

the maoster:
I’m not 100% sure but I seem to remember that the Grenfall date coincided with the anniversary of another occasion of mass loss of life that was barely mentioned. Somewhere in the south Atlantic I think :imp: :imp:

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+1
but who cares about the british in britain today.
my favourite memory of that era was when they sunk the belgrano miles out of the exclusion zone with massive loss of life with the suns headline being…“” GOTCHA"" . total class :smiley:

robroy:
Is it just me or is all that stuff last week completely over the top.
A tragic fire ? absolutely, but a bit disproportional in terms of media coverage

It’s obvious that the agenda has been hijacked by all the usual predictable self interest groups,away from rightly just that of silly high building design and resulting hopeless fire fighting capability.In addition to the fact that much of the problem is too many people ( especially the immigrant population ) want to disproportionately congregate and live in London and then moan when they find out that its streets aren’t actually paved with gold and they can’t have North Yorkshire,Wiltshire,Herefordshire etc living standards as part of that.If it had just kept to that I don’t think it’s possible to have too much coverage of the issue.

commonrail:
I only watch sport…so I didn’t see any of it.

you never missed anything mate.

As said completely over the top,oh wait it was full of 15 votes each shouldn’t be here anyway immigrant muzzies who without MP’s would be out on the street doing something worthwhile for a “job”.

Bit of a sidetrack but with all the to do about the “wind rush” generation there’s to be a national “wind rush” day every year to mark the first ship landing WTF that’s all about jeez countries becoming more of a joke than it is already.

There always seems to be some group who get on their high horse when something like this happens amd to peddle their “oh how terrible it is for us” - always from the same minority groups as they like to be called.

A good example is how they make a big thing about not everyone getting rehoused. Turns out however they were all offered new hones byt a large group decided they deserved nice big houses outside the area rather than something akon to what they had. Politicians are too scared to say this and instead pander to this other version of “we need to do more”.

Feel sorry for the kids, but bad things happen on smaller scale every day to families inc house snd flat fires and they dobt get this help, or the £5000 etc.

trevHCS:
A good example is how they make a big thing about not everyone getting rehoused. Turns out however they were all offered new hones byt a large group decided they deserved nice big houses outside the area rather than something akon to what they had. Politicians are too scared to say this and instead pander to this other version of “we need to do more”.

Which translates as they all want to live in London.But then decide that they don’t like the reality of what it means to live in Kahn’s ‘great city’ and want to live in a relatively better house in the outer London boroughs or new estates built on what remains of the surrounding counties’ green belt instead.While also using their ‘ethnic minority’ status as leverage to do it at the expense of others. :wink:

While my solution would be yes we’re going to demolish all of London’s tower blocks and the residents will all be rehoused in decent new housing…but built in small numbers throughout the country and nowhere near London.We’ll call it a programme of sustainable population redistribution with the win win of stopping the idea of ethnic enclaves and ghettoes to help the immigrant communities integrate better with their hosts. :bulb:

Carryfast:

trevHCS:
A good example is how they make a big thing about not everyone getting rehoused. Turns out however they were all offered new hones byt a large group decided they deserved nice big houses outside the area rather than something akon to what they had. Politicians are too scared to say this and instead pander to this other version of “we need to do more”.

Which translates as they all want to live in London.But then decide that they don’t like the reality of what it means to live in Kahn’s ‘great city’ and want to live in a relatively better house in the outer London boroughs or new estates built on what remains of the surrounding counties’ green belt instead.While also using their ‘ethnic minority’ status as leverage to do it at the expense of others. :wink:

While my solution would be yes we’re going to demolish all of London’s tower blocks and the residents will all be rehoused in decent new housing…but built in small numbers throughout the country and nowhere near London.We’ll call it a programme of sustainable population redistribution with the win win of stopping the idea of ethnic enclaves and ghettoes to help the immigrant communities integrate better with their hosts. :bulb:

Excellent idea.
Move those who have low paid jobs as cleaners etc miles away from their places of employment in city centre blocks and tube stations. I’m sure they will be dead chuffed to have a longer and more expensive commute to work. Could well be I’m guilty of prejudice and stereo typing here, but I’d guess the residents of Grenfell weren’t living there because they wanted to be near the Royal Ballet as they were frequent visitors. Could be wrong of course, since we all know that immigrant communities are well off, maybe they just want to save on the black cab fare when they come home from an evening’s gambling at a Park Lane casino?

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Carryfast:
While my solution would be yes we’re going to demolish all of London’s tower blocks and the residents will all be rehoused in decent new housing…but built in small numbers throughout the country and nowhere near London.We’ll call it a programme of sustainable population redistribution with the win win of stopping the idea of ethnic enclaves and ghettoes to help the immigrant communities integrate better with their hosts. :bulb:

Not sure if serious or joking?

Franglais:

Carryfast:
Which translates as they all want to live in London.But then decide that they don’t like the reality of what it means to live in Kahn’s ‘great city’ and want to live in a relatively better house in the outer London boroughs or new estates built on what remains of the surrounding counties’ green belt instead.While also using their ‘ethnic minority’ status as leverage to do it at the expense of others. :wink:

While my solution would be yes we’re going to demolish all of London’s tower blocks and the residents will all be rehoused in decent new housing…but built in small numbers throughout the country and nowhere near London.We’ll call it a programme of sustainable population redistribution with the win win of stopping the idea of ethnic enclaves and ghettoes to help the immigrant communities integrate better with their hosts. :bulb:

Excellent idea.
Move those who have low paid jobs as cleaners etc miles away from their places of employment in city centre blocks and tube stations. I’m sure they will be dead chuffed to have a longer and more expensive commute to work. Could well be I’m guilty of prejudice and stereo typing here, but I’d guess the residents of Grenfell weren’t living there because they wanted to be near the Royal Ballet as they were frequent visitors. Could be wrong of course, since we all know that immigrant communities are well off, maybe they just want to save on the black cab fare when they come home from an evening’s gambling at a Park Lane casino?

Oh wait it’s so much better to keep on adding to London’s unsustainable population growth in which fields are first turned into suburbs to cater for the inward rush and those eventually inevitably ending up as yet more inner city tower blocks.With the residents then moaning about living in a high rise death trap.While other parts of the country remain an under developed under populated wilderness.

As for your low paid immigrant army.There’s not much point in them then moaning about the living standards that inevitably creates for them,if that’s what’s they are here for.Although obviously more votes for Kahn’s ever increasing immigrant enclave.

So where does your logic stop.Let me guess when ‘Greater London’ incorporates Nord Pas de Calais with Normandy next on the list.Assuming that you want to provide a decent house in a decent environment within commuting distance of central London for more than 8 million people and climbing.Which is more than the combined population of Scotland,■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ and North Yorkshire.Let alone using the tactic of over supply to collapse the housing market to the point where a minimum wage job will pay for their 3 bed semi with a decent garden in a nice area.That’ll work.Although no surprise people who don’t live in London or the South East telling us what’s good for us. :unamused:

“Tactic of over supply to collapse the housing market”!
No danger of that at the moment I’d have thought?
What a strange and sorry country we inhabit when a dwelling place becomes a source of increasing wealth for no effort. When it appears some would prefer younger families to be under housed rather than give up their own financial benefits from the rampant inflation of housing costs? Bizarre.
And to your early point, I am not defending the over development of London, but am trying to point out how the system works in the real world. We haven’t yet arrived at the stage where manual workers are required to return to the “townships” or have their families live in the “homelands” away from the eyes of their superiors who they serve.

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The Grenfell Tower fire was a tragic event but as albion has said it’s been high-jacked for political purposes aided and abetted by the constantly offended snowflakes who like to have something to whine about, though I don’t agree with all of Katie Hopkins comments, at the end of the day she to appears to be using the fire for her own journalistic/political purposes.

I sympathise with anyone who loses their home in a fire and more so if peoples lives are lost but at the end of the day [zb] happens and always will.

The Grenfell fire was particularly bad because it shouldn’t have happened and there are lessons to learn from it, however the princess Diana death type hysteria is mind boggling, when the Grenfell Tower Inquiry started the first 3 days was dedicated to obituaries for the people who lost their lives in the fire, but in what way does that help to establish the cause or events of the fire :confused:
Would it be too cynical of me to say that it may have been because the inquiry is being conducted by a private company (Menzies Partners) so there’s a decent profit to be made from dragging the inquiry out as long as possible.
I’m sorry but I found that part of the inquiry a little sickening and I don’t mean because I was affected by the obituaries :frowning:

If you lose your home in a fire the local council have a legal obligation to find you accommodation and they’ve done just that for the Grenfell residents, however some of the residents of Grenfell have decided that they’d rather stay in a hotel at the tax payers expense than accept temporary accommodation or even permanent accommodation that’s not up to the standard they want, I read an article where one Grefell resident was interviewed and he said that he’d been offered permanent accommodation but had turned it down because he wanted something better to spend the rest of his life in, at the time of the article, about 3 months ago, he was still in a hotel and you can guess who’s paying for it.

Now they’re saying that when the block of flats is demolished it should be replaced with a permanent memorial to the dead and they’re discussing what the memorial should be, well how about a block of flats for the living :unamused:

The judge is on £1500 per day so he wont be in too much of a hurry to present his findings.As usual when spending public money ,spend plenty.

There was no mention of the Falkland Isles, the Soweto Uprising or the murder of Lee Rigby either. But they made a big thing today about the mosque that was attacked by a Welshman in a van and the Grenadier Guard who killed a terrorist.

Tachograph, bang on the nail with you entire post, particularly the bits about the time taken to listen to the survivors’ statements.

The law should never factor emotion in, otherwise it starts to lose its impartiality and it’s down to whomever can emote to Oscar level standards.

I do feel as our I no longer live in the country I thought I grew up in.

albion:
Tachograph, bang on the nail with you entire post, particularly the bits about the time taken to listen to the survivors’ statements.

The law should never factor emotion in, otherwise it starts to lose its impartiality and it’s down to whomever can emote to Oscar level standards.

I do feel as our I no longer live in the country I thought I grew up in.

L. P. Hartley, “The Go Between” “The past…”.
I squirmed listening to the start of the enquiry. I found the Diana public grieving bizarre and distasteful.
But I find the times before mine uncaring and cold. Victorian fathers who stayed aloof from domestic chores and ignored their kids.
Times change and the world we all inhabit is certainly not the world of our childhood. But, 'twas ever so!
Does keeping a “stiff upper lip” always work? Does "opening up and sharing"always work? I doubt either strategy works for everyone, and don’t think either should be pushed too hard or dismissed. If talking helps some others then I won’t condemn them for doing so. But equally I won’t be doing too much of it myself.
Because I find listening to the bereaved speak of their lost ones, difficult, doesn’t mean I want them to stop. I don’t have to listen to them any more than I have to listen to Katy Hopkins. I don’t expect either of them to shut up.
The cost of the enquiry?
It’s gonna be a lot.
I’m rather more in favour of a more technical, factual enquiry. But politicians hold the ■■■■■ strings and they’ll be held loosely if votes are at stake. Not a partisan point, it’s how all parties work.

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Daytrunker:
As said completely over the top,oh wait it was full of 15 votes each shouldn’t be here anyway immigrant muzzies who without MP’s would be out on the street doing something worthwhile for a “job”.

Bit of a sidetrack but with all the to do about the “wind rush” generation there’s to be a national “wind rush” day every year to mark the first ship landing WTF that’s all about jeez countries becoming more of a joke than it is already.

That’s great news, will I get an extra days holiday then? :laughing:

Pete.