So we’ve seen an outcome for the Grenfell enquiry, that at face value, doesn’t seem to do anything to prevent the next plastic-clad fuelled fire that will surely happen sooner or later at some random block of flats in Britain…
Does anyone know something here I don’t, as bearing in mind no one is going to jail for all those deaths - what “lessons were learned” here?
The FOBT maximum stake has been reduced from £100 to £2. BUT “Not until 2020”. Totally useless reform then. How does that prevent some bod doing his wages next week, and going home to kill his wife and kids? I would have thought in a “sensible” world, that any roll-out of such a new law - could and should have been implemented overnight?
■■■■■■■■ to “We must protect bookmaker profits, and more importantly Government taxes from those profits”. You can’t make this crap up! 
Every person who dies from a burning down block of flats, or a crazed gambler who’s done his crunch in the next 2 years - is now blood upon the hands of our Worstmonster crowd, who prove time and time again - that they don’t give a toss about ordinary people, ever.
…Or does anyone have a different opnion as to my purely personal interpretation of this week’s news events here?
The biggest problem with the Grenfell Tower fire was that all the fire escape signs were written in English.
Winseer:
So we’ve seen an outcome for the Grenfell enquiry, that at face value, doesn’t seem to do anything to prevent the next plastic-clad fuelled fire that will surely happen sooner or later at some random block of flats in Britain…
Does anyone know something here I don’t, as bearing in mind no one is going to jail for all those deaths - what “lessons were learned” here?
Firstly most people already know that if a tower block catches fire anywhere below them they are in a very sticky situation.Totally reliant at that point on whether the fire can be brought under control before it burns it’s way upwards with very little equipment available for rescue at those heights.Oh wait let’s cover the building with obviously flammable oil based plastics.That’ll fix it. Rather than invest in some expensive fire suppressants like high pressure sprinkler systems,more and better tower fire fighting and rescue equipment and reducing the height of the buildings and spreading the excess population around the country instead of concentrating it all in London.
Then they want to add insult to injury by increasing civil air traffic over the place in the form of Heathrow expansion.Picture the scene mid air collision over London between something like a 777 and an AB 380 both loaded with fuel.All that against the backdrop of LFB cut backs.We’re governed by imbecilic window lickers.Although look on the bright side at least in that case the working class will also be able to blame their own in the form of UNITE too. 
Harry Monk:
The biggest problem with the Grenfell Tower fire was that all the fire escape signs were written in English.
That sounds as cynical as saying “The Kensington Labour MP has just lost her majority.” 
Carryfast:
Winseer:
So we’ve seen an outcome for the Grenfell enquiry, that at face value, doesn’t seem to do anything to prevent the next plastic-clad fuelled fire that will surely happen sooner or later at some random block of flats in Britain…
Does anyone know something here I don’t, as bearing in mind no one is going to jail for all those deaths - what “lessons were learned” here?
Firstly most people already know that if a tower block catches fire anywhere below them they are in a very sticky situation.Totally reliant at that point on whether the fire can be brought under control before it burns it’s way upwards with very little equipment available for rescue at those heights.Oh wait let’s cover the building with obviously flammable oil based plastics.That’ll fix it. Rather than invest in some expensive fire suppressants like high pressure sprinkler systems,more and better tower fire fighting and rescue equipment and reducing the height of the buildings and spreading the excess population around the country instead of concentrating it all in London.
Then they want to add insult to injury by increasing civil air traffic over the place in the form of Heathrow expansion.Picture the scene mid air collision over London between something like a 777 and an AB 380 both loaded with fuel.All that against the backdrop of LFB cut backs.We’re governed by imbecilic window lickers.Although look on the bright side at least in that case the working class will also be able to blame their own in the form of UNITE too.
Lessons seem to have not been learned from 9/11 there…
Let’s face it - there isn’t enough room in london for el-cheapo “housing”, and there hasn’t been for some time already.
Tower blocks should be demolished, and not replaced.
Instead, we seem to be following that policy with our chimney stacks, especially those of power stations in what looks like a clear conspiracy to make us 100% dependent on imported EU energy, now that we’re not allowed to buy it on the cheap from Russia any more.
Winseer:
Lessons seem to have not been learned from 9/11 there…
The ‘lessons’ were all contained in the form of the disaster movie Towering Inferno long before 9/11.
I wasn’t aware that the plot of the Towering Inferno film involved Corrupt councillors, a Virtue Signalling MP who’s now lost her majority, and the use of obviously flammable plastic cladding all the while buildings that contain “asbestos” are told they “must demolish” which actually creates a safety hazard that wouldn’t be there otherwise, unless the building comes down in the manner of the twin towers, rather than a casual tenant fire. 
Winseer:
I wasn’t aware that the plot of the Towering Inferno film involved Corrupt councillors, a Virtue Signalling MP who’s now lost her majority, and the use of obviously flammable plastic cladding
I haven’t been keeping up with all that bit.
Ironically it was close cost cutting contractors creating a ‘fire situation’.
But the real point was/is if a high tower block goes up below and you’re above the fire you’re effectively stuffed unless you’re very lucky regarding escape possibilities.
It’s obvious that the lower the building and the more fire fighting logistics you’ve got both reduces the potential of a fire below you and increases your chances of escape in the event of it happening.But what you don’t need is flammable plastics,especially unnecessary ones,adding fuel to the fire.
Which leaves the question no matter how corrupt the councillors may have allegedly been how could plastic ever be considered anything other than fuel in the event of a fire.It’s not like the alleged bent councillors put a gun at the head of the fire service in authorising a fire certificate for the building in that regard.
“A gun to the head of local fire inspectors” might be exactly what happened…
“Rubber stamp our corner-cutting methods on this council, or we’ll shut down a few more fire stations in YOUR area.”
Sounds like too many ended up being closed down anyway, bearing in mind that the nearest “hi-reach” fire ladder was outside of the M25 when the fire emergency call came in…
Winseer:
“A gun to the head of local fire inspectors” might be exactly what happened…
“Rubber stamp our corner-cutting methods on this council, or we’ll shut down a few more fire stations in YOUR area.”
Sounds like too many ended up being closed down anyway, bearing in mind that the nearest “hi-reach” fire ladder was outside of the M25 when the fire emergency call came in…
The issue of plastic clad tower blocks is nation wide not just in London there’s no way that can just be the result of some dodgy local malpractice.
Can’t really understand why the highest tower fire fighting/rescue capability equipment seemed to be based in Surrey. Although you can bet that it still wasn’t high enough nor effective enough nor enough of it regardless.It’s difficult to see what even that could do in the case of a plastics fuelled fire spreading across and up the external walls of a large building like a blow torch.IE you’re not going to get enough if any people out of the windows from a tower escape in that situation nor will a single monitor cover the massive area.All you can hope for is to get enough water into the inside of the building to suppress the heat and spread of the flames internally and then hope the people can escape or you can rescue the people from the inside of it.Maybe something along the lines of dedicated permanent large stationary engines and massive pumps on site connected to hydrants and risers and sprinkler systems especially in corridors and on the stair ways would be a helpful solution to the problem.The problem as usual being tombstone economics.
All the recommendations from the previous fire in council flats from the previous decade were never implemented .
Fire resistant cladding , barriers in voids, pipe collars , door closers and seals , retardant paint , fire resistant doors and sprinklers or suppresant systems .
It all costs money and council and government buildings were never built to the same spec as private properties.
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Well a year on and the government is now debating the material situation. The hell is there to debate over, are we suggesting offering the residents of high rise flats the options of “do you want fire proof tiles or not” The mind boggles.
No one wants to spend any money, and doesn’t want to admit the reason they haven’t got any - is because they’ve given far too much away to Brussels.
Endless Austerity, with the attrition of avoidable death - until we end both once and for all with a full Brexit, achievable by ceasing all further payments to Brussels. It doesn’t matter what customs union this, and single market that we are allowed to stay in as well or not - just that we stop paying to lose.