Another general election

the nodding donkey:
I don’t know. Saxons came from Europe. Romans came from Europe. Danes came from Europe. Normans came from Europe. Then there was Willem III who came over from Holland for 30 years, to be replaced later by a succession of German royals (when royalty still ruled). Half your modern day politicos are from North 'o the border.
And as for the whole ‘taking back our own country’, why not give the Scots back theirs? The Welsh? But no, you use exactly the same arguments Europe uses to stop Scotland from gaining independence. Hipocricy at its finest.
And lest we forget, it took a bloody war before India regained it’s independence, and what exactly gave Britain any right to deny India it’s independence?
Regards Brexit, the reality is, that half the population want out, and half want to remain. Many of those who voted either way, did so either in error, because they thought they voted for something else, or because they erroneously believed the scaremongering that constituted ‘campaigning’. I am a remainer, but don’t think we should have any other referendums, because the result will always be a snapshot of ‘of the cuff’ voting by a small minority who determine the outcome. That small minority believed the hyperbole that all our whoes are the fault of European immigration, and that Brexit would mean a stop of all immigration.

Firstly the referendum result didn’t end up at 50/50 while even if it did that still shouldn’t justify handing over the sovereignty of the country to the EU.That realistically being nothing much short of unanimity while still retaining the right of secession at any time in the future.

While the key point in all that is that a true Nationalist respects the right to self determination of other states.On that note yes I’d agree that it’s a contradiction to be anti Federalist in the case of Europe but not the UK.As I’ve said a Confederal government system would fix all of that both in the case of the EU and the UK.With ironically no party either understanding or wanting to understand the difference in democratic accountability,between a Confederation of sovereign states v a Federation of subservient non sovereign states.In which England has historically been no less subject to that one size fits all undemocratic centralised dictatorship as Scotland has been.Just as the Franco Normans and now the EU and its Federalist Conservative government puppets here have planned it all.

As for the immigration issue no one is saying that all our problems are the fault of immigrants.The issue is all about numbers either over supplying the labour market and over loading social provision or diluting the indigenous culture and identity.IE we have allowed in enough nothing more nothing less.While that should be our decision and ours alone not Merkel’s or Juncker’s or Tusk’s.

Having said that you obviously haven’t also pointed out the contradiction in so called Scottish ‘Nationalists’ supporting the idea of foreign Federal rule in the case of the EU,but not the UK.Which is no different to the hypocrisy and contradiction in those who are rightly opposed to the EU Federation but not the UK.The question then being is it actually possible for anyone to actually believe in that contradiction as opposed to having another different agenda.I think we can safely say that both the Cons and the SNP are all about Federalism and the liking for centralised government of Socialism respectively.

Which is why we’ve now got May having dissolved the government without having implemented Brexit as part of a remain alliance with the SNP etc to overturn the referendum decision.

With UKIP having lost the plot because they haven’t even worked out whether they are Federalists ( UK ) or Nationalists ( EU ) let alone having the intelligence to see that they’ve been played by May in that regard,as part of that ridiculous contradiction in their constitution in which they see the ideologically Federalist Cons as their natural allies. :unamused: Or for that matter that they would actually have been better off standing their ground in the European parliament and instead pushing for a Confederal Europe together with other Nationalist European groups.Which by definition should also include Scotland being given back its sovereignty as part of that. :bulb:

While the point is and what is certain here is that May hasn’t dissolved her government to help Brexit.More like exactly the opposite by using the remain vote to purge her supposed Brexit MP’s,as in the case of Zac Goldsmith.With the win win,from her and the remainers point of view,that the Cons will probably even end up as a minority government.With the resulting remain majority in parliament then quashing Brexit regardless.In which case I’d guess that this issue can’t/won’t be settled democratically as so often has historically been the case in the argument between Federalism and Nationalism.With it being no surprise that Federalists aren’t willing to recognise any democratic Nationalist majority vote. :imp: