JaxDemon:
Franglais:
We were asked to make a choice between
Remain: and we are all familiar with problems with the Eu. Its not perfect, nothing is, it
s easy to criticise any existing system.
Leave: with no fixed plan for leaving there was no way to speak against the vague arm waving promises of some of the campaigners. Buzz words and phrases like “taking back power” “doing away with regulation” abounded. The rules on clean water at beaches, holiday pay for agency workers, rules on pesticides, GM food, air pollution, gov aid for flood areas all originated in the EU. Are they all interference in our UK businesses freedom to make profit? I hope so, I dont want to live in country or a world where business is free to turn a profit by polluting, and exploiting workers. Power? If not exercised by politicos in Brussels it
s used and abused just as much by politicos in London or even your local town hall. Immigration? Easy to stop that. Destroy our economy: people will always want to come to a successful economy. And business will want them to come as a form of cheap labour. Youve heard of newly immigrant doctors, teachers etc working in factories? How can we leave a club, give up paying our dues and then expect better treatment? I can
t see that working out too well. The Eu is not perfect, but it is better than no Eu. Would have been better to stay inside and improve it, IMHO.
Being in the EU created a modern day slavery Labour workforce. Natives in the UK not having babies so I know let’s flood the UK and other EU countries with a workforce and let’s hope they pay in taxes. Then we can borrow more money off their future and kids future.
Immigration can’t be stopped while in the EU this is a fact. 323k people entering each year. Sorry make that 500k each year. City the size of Liverpool near enough each year. We are full.
We have near enough the same population has France yet we’re half the size.
Migration actually costs us billions. Cameron when he gave over 500 million over 5 years to Syrian refugees helped far less people then he could have done. Each Syrian costing around 30k. That 30k could have helped 12 Syrians get resettled in a safe area in Syria.
We need to be thankful Turkey are not in the EU when 12 million of them planned to come settle in the UK once they had been approved then you would see the NHS and housing/jobs in a proper state.
No EU is better then being in the EU.
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“Being in the EU created a modern day slavery Labour workforce.”
Well I don`t know why you make that assertion, and I simply say I disagree.
" Natives in the UK not having babies so I know let’s flood the UK and other EU countries with a workforce and let’s hope they pay in taxes. Then we can borrow more money off their future and kids future."
The UK population have time after time voted for governments that promise simultaneously expenditure on the NHS, education, social care, policing,
AND low taxes. The only way this can be achieved is by borrowing against the future. So it is dependent on a rising population. Call it if you want a giant Ponzi scheme. It really is that simple: vote for low taxes, without spending cuts and there you are.
“We have near enough the same population has France yet we’re half the size.”
Yes, and the population of France is probably more evenly distributed, so the south east of the UK is very highly densely populated. And the UK gov doesn`t release enough land for building so housing is extortionately priced. Outside the capitals France, Spain, Italy, Greece, etc, etc, have cheaper housing, so who you gonna blame for that?
“Migration actually costs us billions. Cameron when he gave over 500 million over 5 years to Syrian refugees helped far less people then he could have done. Each Syrian costing around 30k. That 30k could have helped 12 Syrians get resettled in a safe area in Syria”
I believe youre correct that sending more in aid to Syria would help the Syrians stabilize their own country and their own economy. Better for all. We accept refugees, as I understand it, because we observe several different laws including, one from the Eu in 2004, and others from the UN, the 1948 Declaration Of Human Rights, and other protocols and agreements. Good for us, nice to know we are decent human beings and not selfish ■■■■■■■■ isn
t it?
“We need to be thankful Turkey are not in the EU when 12 million of them planned to come settle in the UK once they had been approved then you would see the NHS and housing/jobs in a proper state.”
When the East block joined the Eu it was only the UK that allowed unlimited migration on day one: a National decision not an Eu one. I daresay the same options would apply if/when Turkey were allowed in. Freedom of movement for workers is an Eu issue, and they havent got it right yet,
tis true.
The NHS is just that the UK National Health Service. Funding is down to the UK, and mismanagement and under investment is surely down to tax cutting short sighted National Governments. The politicos will of course try to blame all and sundry for their failings, including the Eu, but not all fault lies in the Eu. Housing? Not so much of a shortage in other Eu countries is there? Look to our national government for some blame here too, not releasing green belt land for housing keeps a few in isolated country luxury, while we all pay too much for small houses on over priced scarce land. And guess what, those who own the big houses in the sticks get richer by borrowing against the appreciating assets of their land. Who are the Government really serving?
The Eu is not perfect, not by along way, but don`t believe the UK politicians who lay all blame against the Eu and accept none for themselves.