Salisbury / novichok

Carryfast:

Franglais:

Carryfast:
How is that not an admission that he rightly views Crimea as Russian territory just as we view Northern Ireland as Brit ?.IE he hasn’t said anywhere that Crimea isn’t a part of Russia or that Russia isn’t there in whatever form.While it’s bleedin clear enough that he’s actually saying in diplomatic speak yes we are there and being rightfully ours we’ve taken it back but we aren’t looking for a fight over it.But if you really want one you’ll get one.Feel free to turn down his obvious offer of a peaceful settlement in that regard.

So do you mean, so long as he give a bit of Orwellian doublespeak: “no we`re not there, “wink” you know we are really” We should ignore him annexing all and every bit of land he likes?
Appeasement sound familiar to you?

Carryfast:
Which leaves the question on what grounds do you regard Crimea as not being part of Russia.Oh wait if the EU says it’s part of the EU then it is and you’re prepared to go to war allied with your Kraut mates to make it so.

Maybe the “Budapest Memorandum on Securty Measures” signed by the UK, USA, and Russian federation in 1994 is relevant here?

HINT… it is.

No what he’s clearly saying is that he only wanted to use minimum force if any to take back what’s rightfully a part of Russia since Catherine the Great’s forces kicked the Ottoman Muslims out of the place in 1783 with a loyalist Russian majority there to date to prove it.IE he clearly had/has no intention of starting a war over it.Just like we didn’t kick off WW3 to maintain Brit rule in Northern Ireland although ironically that involved more force in the form the Paras than Russia used or needed to take back Crimea.Let alone the small incident with Argentina over our interests in the ‘Falklands’.

As for him ‘annexing’ any other bit of land he likes if that was the case don’t you think that he’d already have gone on the offensive over the bad faith shown by the EU and NATO in the case of moving its military machine into the old Soviet buffer states.As opposed to the restraint that he’s shown to date to such provocation.Although make no mistake if you keep prodding the Bear sooner or later you’ll get a response and it won’t be like the type of half hearted resource starved approach of the Argies in the Falklands or a few Irish nutters in Northern Ireland.

On that note no we don’t want to die for more Eastward EU expansionist adventurism now just as we didn’t when the defeated German Werhmacht thought that we were going to re arm them and go for Russia in 1945.That would have ended well. :unamused:

Strange don’t you think how Patton was denied his final push at the Hun by Eisenhower and his controllers (Baruch) and then fatally accidented in a jeep crash shortly thereafter?..bit of a rhetorical one i guess :unamused: