"The Donald" President Trump.

[Bewick]

Well Lads time to set another hare running ! Whatever anyone thinks about "The Donald" I think he is [zb] great ! he has told them G7 crowd what the score will be from now on ! I know that [zb] Kim is a full weight [zb] but "The Donald" has at least got the little fat [zb] to a meeting which is more than previous Presidents have been able to do ! Right ,wrong or indifferent he says it like it is which is what we are short of in the UK. It was also a pleasure to see Arron Banks put those bunch of Remainer MP's in the picture at that select committee in Parliament to-day ! We should have him running our country, a successful Business man ! He would tell those EU [zb] where to get off !! Hope I don't get in lumber with the Mods for speaking out in favour of "The Donald" PC and all that bollox ! Bewick.

[alexsaville]

Spot on, Dennis, the man says what he thinks and if he was running Brexit we would be out by now! Dare I mention his Ma is from the Island of Lewis?
Never underestimate a Teuchter (Glaswegian for a Highlander) or you'll regret it.
Time these Remoaners shut their mouth and listened to the will of the people.
Take Care.
Alex

[Carryfast]

Trump is compromised by the Globalists.It's always the same MO.He talks tough opposition to the Obama and Hilary rabble to keep his vote onside then does exactly what the deep state tell him to do.From the non existent Mexican wall to appeasing the Arabs and now the Chinese and supporting the EU on Russia and Syria.While if he was as for Brexit as he says he is he would have derecognised our EU member status.But that would obviously conflict with his policy not to allow Texas to secede from the US.Next watch him cave in on the 2nd amendment and the Global Warming agenda.

[rigsby]

Thank god for that , I thought I was the only one who could see the real Donald . A very successful businessman applying those skills to running his country and taking no crap from the Liberals and moaners . He won't join the rest of the "world leaders "cosying up and filling their pockets and shafting their own countries in the process . If he can sort the Korean thing out , he will have done more for the world than any previous President . Good luck to him , he has a lot of faults , but he wouldn't be human if he didn't . Dave

[thelongdrag]

He,s not like anybody we have seen before in politics. He doesn’t go with usual cartel “let’s keep it nice and cosy we are on a good thing here”. All these remain M.Ps might have to do a bit off work instead off letting Brussels control us. We are badly in need off someone like him at the helm.
Mike.

[xichrisxi]

If Clinton got in then the US would probably on the brink of war with Russia by now,and Russia wouldn’t make the idle threats that North Korea has for the past few years either....

Trump has stayed strong and brought North Korea into giving up its nuclear weapons by not pandering to it like the last 2 presidents have,Even if he is a bit of an odd ball he certainly has the mindset to run a government effectively without being worried about upsetting the likes of Iran,North Korea ect ect

[Rob K]

Historic moment indeed but I think Trump is being played for a fool. I think that China are the puppet masters behind all this. Kim will find another mountain to hide his nukes in then invite Trump to do an inspection to prove that he's being a good boy which in turn will give Kim the leverage he needs to tell Trump to move his forces out of South Korea. Trump won't have any choice but to comply in he wants to maintain relations with North Korea. Trump pulling out of South Korea gives China exactly what they want because everyone knows the US presence in South Korea is nothing to do with North Korea, it's all about keeping tabs on China .

[windrush]

That little fat man in Korea is just letting folk in the West see what they wanted to see and personally I can't believe that he has surrendered to demands so easily given his past track record. I wouldn't trust him one inch, hopefully I'm wrong and he will become a reformed character like Martin McGuiness etc....... yeah, I didn't believe that either:roll:

Pete.

[the maoster]

Both valid posts above ^^^^ but what in reality is the alternative? Damned if I know, which is probably why I drive a truck.

[Carryfast]

Historic moment indeed but I think Trump is being played for a fool. I think that China are the puppet masters behind all this. Kim will find another mountain to hide his nukes in then invite Trump to do an inspection to prove that he's being a good boy which in turn will give Kim the leverage he needs to tell Trump to move his forces out of South Korea. Trump won't have any choice but to comply in he wants to maintain relations with North Korea. Trump pulling out of South Korea gives China exactly what they want because everyone knows the US presence in South Korea is nothing to do with North Korea, it's all about keeping tabs on China .

^ This.

[Carryfast]

Both valid posts above ^^^^ but what in reality is the alternative? Damned if I know,

Trump should have kept to his original line that he has a bigger arsenal and it works which took the wind out of Jog On's sails.Added to by a statement that any attack by North Korea against anyone will be viewed as an attack by China and met accordingly.Then stop all trade links with China.On the grounds that insult of the loss of Western jobs and wealth is added to by the injury of it all going into China's military budget and its ongoing build up obviously has nothing to do with China's defence needs and everything to do with being an offensive force with only one equally obvious aim.

[Carryfast]

If Clinton got in then the US would probably on the brink of war with Russia by now,and Russia wouldn’t make the idle threats that North Korea has for the past few years either...

Oh wait.That was obviously before Trump took the side of Macron and the Saudis v Assad and Ukraine doesn't need Hilary when it's got deep state compromised controlled opposition Trump on its side.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... 101550540/

[Rob K]

Historic moment indeed but I think Trump is being played for a fool. I think that China are the puppet masters behind all this. Kim will find another mountain to hide his nukes in then invite Trump to do an inspection to prove that he's being a good boy which in turn will give Kim the leverage he needs to tell Trump to move his forces out of South Korea. Trump won't have any choice but to comply in he wants to maintain relations with North Korea. Trump pulling out of South Korea gives China exactly what they want because everyone knows the US presence in South Korea is nothing to do with North Korea, it's all about keeping tabs on China .

^ This.

It will be interesting to watch how it plays out. Mike Pompeo is not a stupid man and has a lot of military and government experience under his belt. I'm pretty sure that he will have already realised the above could be the "game" well before any of us and already has a plan in place to counter any such shennanigans.

I do also think there's probably an element of Kim genuinely wanting to turn over a new leaf and drag his country out of the dark ages. His two neighbouring countries are very technologically advanced and I can imagine that he fancies some of that for his own people.

Knowing Trump though, he'll probably [zb] it all up by the end of the week by making some stupid tweet.

[Franglais]

Both valid posts above ^^^^ but what in reality is the alternative? Damned if I know, which is probably why I drive a truck.

You're clearly too honest to be a successful politician. They don't know the answers any more thsn you or I do.
They just say* they have the solutions.

*sorry, for "say" read "shout"!

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[Carryfast]

Historic moment indeed but I think Trump is being played for a fool. I think that China are the puppet masters behind all this. Kim will find another mountain to hide his nukes in then invite Trump to do an inspection to prove that he's being a good boy which in turn will give Kim the leverage he needs to tell Trump to move his forces out of South Korea. Trump won't have any choice but to comply in he wants to maintain relations with North Korea. Trump pulling out of South Korea gives China exactly what they want because everyone knows the US presence in South Korea is nothing to do with North Korea, it's all about keeping tabs on China .

^ This.

It will be interesting to watch how it plays out. Mike Pompeo is not a stupid man and has a lot of military and government experience under his belt. I'm pretty sure that he will have already realised the above could be the "game" well before any of us and already has a plan in place to counter any such shennanigans.

I do also think there's probably an element of Kim genuinely wanting to turn over a new leaf and drag his country out of the dark ages. His two neighbouring countries are very technologically advanced and I can imagine that he fancies some of that for his own people.

Knowing Trump though, he'll probably [zb] it all up by the end of the week by making some stupid tweet.

The word is that when Trump went behind closed doors for the official handover from Obama it was either a different 'Trump' that came out or it's the real Trump but he and his family were threatened by the deep state.Either way the Americans voted Trump and still got Hilary although he obviously has to make it look good and not too obvious.So no wall,Putin is now the problem again and Macron is the solution,the 2nd amendment heading for history on a slow gradual basis,and appeasement of China.

A bit like Italy voting for an anti immigration government.But which will for some reason still allow in as many at a time as the Coastguard can fit on a Coast Guard ship while diverting the rest to Spain.When it's obvious that the election deal was supposed to be that the Coast Guard escorts them back to where they started out from and if they and Macron etc doesn't like it tough.

[Carryfast]

You're clearly too honest to be a successful politician. They don't know the answers any more thsn you or I do.
They just say* they have the solutions.

*sorry, for "say" read "shout"!

Trump had more and better solutions than Obama's and Hilary's.If only the deep state had allowed him to put them into action as opposed to making sure that he continued with theirs'.

[muckles]

Wouldn’t say I was a die hard fan of Trump, the bloke is far from perfect and complete narcissist, but definitely didn’t want to see Hilary in the Whitehouse with all the establishment baggage and business as usual that would have gone with it.

Trump is accused of dividing the US, but the US was divided before he became president or was even taken seriously as a candidate. After all Black Lives Matter was formed under the Obama administration.

A few months ago the mainstream media was in a frenzy that Trump and Kim were going to start a nuclear war, now the mainstream media are complaining that there isn’t any substance in the agreement.

For Christ sake, it was a first meeting, it was historic, the 2 leaders are talking, which is far better than trading threats with each other, it might end up a road to nowhere or to something better only time will tell.

However the media seem to be so blinkered they will skew any reports to an anti Trump bias, I’m sure that if he created a World without disease, the headline would be, “Trump causes mass unemployment in the medical profession”.

[Bewick]

Well said Muckles ! Spot on, my sentiments exactly ! Cheers Bewick.

[Carryfast]

For Christ sake, it was a first meeting, it was historic, the 2 leaders are talking, which is far better than trading threats with each other, it might end up a road to nowhere or to something better

Depends on your definition of 'better'.

At best follow the money.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGuulYZ7g4s

Or at worst Jog On and his Chinese mates have just reversed the trick that Chamberlain pulled off against Hitler by fooling Trump that they aren't a threat to the free world as RobK said.

While Trump has managed to do the opposite of what Chamberlain did by choosing a policy of real appeasement from a position of strength. As opposed to what Chamberlain did in brilliantly hiding a policy of playing for time,to prepare for war,while in a position of weakness,by pretending appeasement and then being called an appeaser.

[HRS]

Well said Muckles.
Basic words and basic common sense, non of us need or want all this verbal diarrhoea. Harvey

[Franglais]

Looks to me like there are at least two issues here.
Korea and Trump.

Korea: Anyone who does anything to make the world a safer place deserves praise. Whether Trump`s actions will result in North Korea "coming in from the cold" or not is obviously only in the very early stages, so we can still be hopeful. But I must admit that any hope resting on Trump steering a straight course seems.... well, hoping for the best.....

Trump himself?
As a businessman he seems to have made some success of his property companies, but is less successful in other endeavours.
The "chapter eleven" business bankruptcies from companies associated to him, left 270millions of dollars debts.
Some of that will be losses to institutions. Maybe some of you don`t care about "greedy bankers" taking a hit? Maybe you should consider that those institutions may hold some of your savings for pensions etc? It`s not the same as mugging an old lady on the street but there is no such thing as a victimless crime or bankruptcy. Some of that debt will be to small companies and contractors who go bust leaving further hardship.
Donald "It has not been easy for me" Trump had parents with a 200m $ business in the 1970`s. He says he started out "with a small loan of one million dollars" from his father" but also swore he "once borrowed $9.6 million from his father, calling it "a very small amount of money", but could not recall when he did so".
100m$ in the `70`s, if invested in typical US bonds would be worth about 6b$ as of 2016. At this time (2016) Trump estimated his worth at 10b$, although Forbes reckoned on about 4b$ and Bloomberg said nearer 3b$. But given the Trump companies are private, it difficult to know, of course.
Business ethics?
"I do play with the bankruptcy laws—they're very good for me." (Newsweek 2011)
"I've used the laws of this country to pare debt. ... We'll have the company. We'll throw it into a chapter. We'll negotiate with the banks. We'll make a fantastic deal. You know, it's like on The Apprentice. It's not personal. It's just business." (ABC News Feb 2015)

Brilliant business career? We can all make up our own minds, can`t we?

[muckles]

The thing is we all know Trump has many skeletons in his cupboard and a fair few that seem to have escaped, but then so does almost every other global politician and major business leader. However the constant media witch hunt, especially in the US media over Trump is getting boring now, it could even end up being counter productive.

[Franglais]

The thing is we all know Trump has many skeletons in his cupboard and a fair few that seem to have escaped, but then so does almost every other global politician and major business leader. However the constant media witch hunt, especially in the US media over Trump is getting boring now, it could even end up being counter productive.

I think I know what you mean about Trump news getting boring, and about it being "counter productive". He is such a master of spin that all he has to do is say "fake news" and his core supporters love him more every time another skeleton starts rattling! They assume all accusations against him are fake. Nothing he is likely to say is going to convince his opponents that he is a worthy leader, and nothing seems to disillusion his followers.
It`s about as divided a situation as it is possible to be. Very strange.


How lucky we are to live in such an harmonious society as exists here in the UK.

[Rob K]

The thing is we all know Trump has many skeletons in his cupboard and a fair few that seem to have escaped, but then so does almost every other global politician and major business leader. However the constant media witch hunt, especially in the US media over Trump is getting boring now, it could even end up being counter productive.

I think I know what you mean about Trump news getting boring, and about it being "counter productive". He is such a master of spin that all he has to do is say "fake news" and his core supporters love him more every time another skeleton starts rattling! They assume all accusations against him are fake. Nothing he is likely to say is going to convince his opponents that he is a worthy leader, and nothing seems to disillusion his followers.
It`s about as divided a situation as it is possible to be. Very strange.


How lucky we are to live in such an harmonious society as exists here in the UK.

When you scratch beneath the surface they're all as bad as each other. It's no different to the politicians here, but if you have to choose between Trump or Clinton, Trump is by far the 'least bad' of the two. Like someone else said above (or perhaps in another thread), if Clinton had been in I think the relationship the US has with Russia, N Korea, China and various countries in the sandpit would be a LOT worse than what it is currently under Trump; in fact I'd be tempted to go so far as to say the US would be at war with at least one of them. It's also probably fair to say that a significant amount of Americans voted in Trump as a protest vote because they saw the writing on the wall if Clinton got in.

[muckles]

The thing is we all know Trump has many skeletons in his cupboard and a fair few that seem to have escaped, but then so does almost every other global politician and major business leader. However the constant media witch hunt, especially in the US media over Trump is getting boring now, it could even end up being counter productive.

I think I know what you mean about Trump news getting boring, and about it being "counter productive". He is such a master of spin that all he has to do is say "fake news" and his core supporters love him more every time another skeleton starts rattling! They assume all accusations against him are fake. Nothing he is likely to say is going to convince his opponents that he is a worthy leader, and nothing seems to disillusion his followers.
It`s about as divided a situation as it is possible to be. Very strange.


How lucky we are to live in such an harmonious society as exists here in the UK.

The polarisation of society isn't just a US and UK problem, but seems to be across the board in what is traditionally considered the developed countries, this isn’t the fault of Donald Trump or Brexit, they are merely the outcome of the growing divide between those with global power, money and influence and us ordinary people.

Then throw into the mix those that think globalisation is a lovely thing where we’ll all be holding hands across the World, like some 70’s Coke advert, when what globalisation really means are those in control pitting the workers of the World against each other to keep their jobs, leading to wage stagnation and a reduction of employment rights, while the corporate leaders increase their wealth and power.

[Carryfast]

Looks to me like there are at least two issues here.
Korea and Trump.

Korea: Anyone who does anything to make the world a safer place deserves praise.

Firstly for NK read China.Appeasement has never made the 'world' a 'safer' place.

The 'world' has been here before.Just put number 3 or 6 of the second vid,often heard in the 'right' ( wrong ) places sung by Kraut WW2 vets in the 1980's. ,with the first vid and they match perfectly.Do you still think that 'Trump' ( Hilary ) has got it right bearing in mind that,unlike Trump,Chamberlain was only out to fool Hitler,he didn't actually mean it.While the quote of Bertolt Brecht could almost have been sent by Chamberain as a warning to the 'world' in this case.Don't rejoice in his defeat.For though the world stood up and stopped the b....d the bitch that bore him is in heat again.Obviously now having created the Chinese regime and the PLA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHZIUdHm6b4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdEhd3BhYzI

[Carryfast]

The thing is we all know Trump has many skeletons in his cupboard and a fair few that seem to have escaped, but then so does almost every other global politician and major business leader. However the constant media witch hunt, especially in the US media over Trump is getting boring now, it could even end up being counter productive.

The sham 'witch hunt' is either all part of the plan to keep his vote quiet and onside.

Or the media in question isn't bright enough to realise that it's not actually the real Trump.Or that it is the real Trump but he's been compromised by the Globalists.

The fact that his vote have clearly voted Trump and got Hilary,with a few laughable diversionary carrots,suggests it's the former.

[Carryfast]

Then throw into the mix those that think globalisation is a lovely thing where we’ll all be holding hands across the World, like some 70’s Coke advert, when what globalisation really means are those in control pitting the workers of the World against each other to keep their jobs, leading to wage stagnation and a reduction of employment rights, while the corporate leaders increase their wealth and power.

Or they've given up on trying to make western workers 'compete' with third world ones and are just loading up the western world with debt to pay for the Chinese military build up which will eventually enslave us all.

While the bleeding hearts don't want to join hands with the world.They want to bring everyone who they consider to be living in a disadvantageous part of the planet,to live here with us in the parts considered to be more advantageous.What could possibly go wrong.

[dunchues]

Both valid posts above ^^^^ but what in reality is the alternative? Damned if I know, which is probably why I drive a truck.

Wise words Maoster!

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[Winseer]

Spot on, Dennis, the man says what he thinks and if he was running Brexit we would be out by now! Dare I mention his Ma is from the Island of Lewis?
Never underestimate a Teuchter (Glaswegian for a Highlander) or you'll regret it.
Time these Remoaners shut their mouth and listened to the will of the people.
Take Care.
Alex

If my son didn't have balls - he'd be my teuchter.

There are three kinds of Brexit, there's a hole in my arse
There's an old man of Aaron going around and around.